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Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« on: October 11, 2016, 06:55:51 AM »
Who would be the top ten "Record Holding" fastest "Naturally Aspirated" (efi, carburated) motorcycles ??,, (salt or tarmac)
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2016, 06:30:11 PM »
can start with ....Forstall-Knecum-Deluca with Mark Deluca riding...2010...254+ AVG MILE time..., 252.066 two way average for a 5280 ft speed trap on salt...APS-G class...not even fuel class....
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2016, 06:54:16 PM »
Yup, that's "Mighty Impressive Stuff"    8)
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2016, 06:54:40 PM »
This is actually harder to put together than one would think.  According to the "common rules", anything not blown is Naturally Aspirated.  Then you have the difference between Gas and Fuel "Naturally Aspirated" classes.  Gas, of course, is event fuel.  Non-approved fuel, non-event fuel, and nitrous assisted; all falls together under the Fuel class. So by just looking at speeds based on the non-blown fuel class, you jumble all up everything from nitrous bike to nitro-methane bikes to E85 bikes to bikes just running not approved pump gas.
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2016, 07:07:06 PM »
yeah until Ransom screwed everything up and  put lsr NA world on its head...with his massive nitrous
runs...it was easier....:)

and its greatly commendable that Ransom appreciates the vast differences...!

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2016, 08:17:16 PM »
I dunno if Ransom screwed it up Joe  :), look at the performances of the 'ole Iron head Harleys of Warner and Kinsey, thay were running 200's with ease when everyone else was scratchin to get above 150, let alone 100mph,,

Freds little 'ole 1350 going 237 on gas is pretty good  8),,

Yes, gas, fuel,  always been a point of debate  :?,,   
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2016, 09:22:43 PM »
Anything other then naturally aspirated engines using reg leaded gas other then oxygenated which we never used. So that would be, NOS, turbo and  a supercharger is considered Super charging the engine. So technically NOS is a Normally Aspirated engine that has nitrous assist for a power adder.  Our engines own the records in mile, mile and a half and Bonneville records since 09 and earlier on engines from 1350 and up. We just don't own the 1350 at Loring mainly because we stopped racing. I do believe if we put in the effort and lucked out with cards your delt ( tailwind) etc. We could break it. The last meet i believe i could've went 209 but that wasn't in the cards for that weekend.   This is a bike that never was dynoed and is new and has 6 passes on it, that wasn't even scratcing the surface yet and went almost 206,  with 4 other records in the cross hair's  if i could just duplicate the 205.8, but the race was ended after Brenda's crash. then I would move to the enormous task of the 1350 record of Ransomes.  So in time all record are meant to break, especially the ones the record setters don't compete at anymore, mainly do to its a 1 man show that can only do so much with 5 bikes.  So will see what happens in the future and cherry pick events that will benefit us. We have plenty of bullets, actually a 1350, a 1650 and a 2000 that fit in the one production chassis.  So will see what happens in the future. Good luck to all. Ride smart, and know your limits.  You can go back to the Maxton days when we broke Dave O record speed but didnt run in his class do to respect. Those engines and most of the bikes had a Bazzaz and a shift light.  No loggers no Motecs.  The Guppy even when it went 254 had a Bazzaz on it.. and not alot of runs at all. So we took the records and quit. Sure they will be broken. Also we own the fastest  Blown engine speeds  as well in the Mile and 1.5. 296 and 311. God rest his sole.  So keep pushing there not to hard to beat with the right team and newer electronics. I expect them to be beat honestly..

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2016, 10:30:32 PM »
All records are a step in the ladder, some steps are a little further apart, means one has to try a little harder, this is good  :D

Whats a Bazzaz ?

Back to topic, What are the top ten fastest N/A Records, or lets make it easier "Times" ??
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2016, 02:32:58 PM »
Along the lines Ransom discussed - It would be good to have a "true NA" Gas list and also a Fuel list. 


break, break

A Bazzaz is a box added inline with the stock ECU to provide some tuning - similar to a PowerCommander -- the bikes are still running on the factory ECU vice running a stand alone ECU. 

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2016, 05:05:55 AM »
 As for the tarmac events, where are the records for the various locations  :?

Have checked the SCTA and DLRA Records and come up with the following "Records" list,,

  1. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,, 252.066mph, 2000 APS/G  Bonneville,,

  2. Brett DeStoop,, 240.192, 1000 APS/F  Gairdner,,

  3. Ralph Hudson,, 239.976mph, 1000 APS/G  Bonneville,,

  4. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,,  237.720mph, 1650 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  5. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,,  236.176mph, 2000 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  6. Vance and Forstall,,  233.310mph, 1350 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  7. Ken Robinson,,  232.889mph,  1350 MPS/G  Gairdner,,
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2016, 07:56:22 AM »
2 strokes count ?
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2016, 09:38:46 AM »
There seems to a few things that should be squared away..................

The import car guys call something "all motor"
That means to them that there are NO POWER ADDERS.

No surcharging, no nitrous no nitro, no alcohol.

Just motor and gasoline.

If THAT is what we mean by "NA,"  than let's say so.


Do we also mean a "sit-on" bike,
and no streamliners ?

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2016, 09:39:45 AM »
2 strokes count ?

Of course !

(and rotary engines......)

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2016, 09:41:16 AM »
As for the tarmac events, where are the records for the various locations  :?

Have checked the SCTA and DLRA Records and come up with the following "Records" list,,

  1. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,, 252.066mph, 2000 APS/G  Bonneville,,

  2. Ralph Hudson,, 239.976mph, 1000 APS/G  Bonneville,,

  3. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,,  237.720mph, 1650 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  4. Forstall, DeLuca, Knecum,,  236.176mph, 2000 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  5. Vance and Forstall,,  233.310mph, 1350 APS/F  Bonneville,,

  6. Ken Robinson,,  232.889mph,  1350 MPS/G  Gairdner,,

How about one entry per rider ?

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2016, 04:29:43 PM »
I have no dog in the fight of Fuel v Gasoline,,

I have no dog in the fight of Oxyginated v Gasoline,,

I have no dog in the fight of Salt v Tarmac,,

I take directive from the Rules and Record pages of the manuals of the orginisations that govern LandSpeed ,,,

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2016, 08:34:00 PM »
the "other" top lsr lists dont have one entry per rider or sponsor...

not sure why this one should...
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2016, 09:47:21 PM »
Who would be the top ten "Record Holding" fastest "
Naturally Aspirated" (efi, carburated) motorcycles ??,, (salt or tarmac)

Joe reminds us............

OP is asking about
MOTORCYCLES, NOT riders...........

That is VERY hard to determine !

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2016, 09:59:33 PM »
scott is so very revealing...SO MANY great efforts...!!
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2016, 03:09:38 AM »
LOL, Riders mate  :D ,, I'm aware of driverless cars,, I guess the day will come when we can send just a motorcycle down the course   :wink:

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2016, 09:34:20 AM »
I have no dog in the fight of Fuel v Gasoline,,

I have no dog in the fight of Oxyginated v Gasoline,,

I have no dog in the fight of Salt v Tarmac,,

I take directive from the Rules and Record pages of the manuals of the orginisations that govern LandSpeed ,,,

I assume then you are looking at "non-blown" riders?

Record pages listed for Loring is http://www.loringtiming.com/records
Record pages listed for ECTA Wilmington http://ecta-lsr.net/?page_id=1127
Record pages listed for ECTA Maxton http://ecta-lsr.net/maxton-1995-2011/records-2/records-motor-cycles/
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2016, 11:02:35 AM »
Here's a start:

Don Vesco……1500cc Yamaha……..1975………303mph
Dave Campos…..3000cc Harley……..1990………322mph
Sam Wheeler…….1350cc Kawasaki…..1999…….294mph
Mark Deluca………1700 Suzuki………..2010……..254mph
Cal Rayborn…….1500cc Harley………1970………265mph
Ransom Holbrook… Hayabusa…….2016…………….252mph
Brett DeStoop,…..     850 Suzuki…………………….. 240mph
Ralph Hudson………1000cc Suzuki……2012…….239mph
John Levie……………2000cc Suzuki…..2016…….238mph
Colt Bateman…………..Kawasaki ZX……………2012…….235mph
Steve Knecum……..Hayabusa……2000…….235mph
Dean Sabatinelli………..Hayabusa……2012……..234mph
Jennifer Robertson…..Hayabusa…..2013…….234mph
Fred Vance…………..1350cc Suzuki……..2015….234 mph



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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2016, 02:20:08 PM »
Ransom T, LOL

scott g, thankyou, that's what i'm talkin'bout  :D
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2016, 01:55:09 PM »
This is from the 'WORLD'S FASTEST" list.

Was this just Nitro ?

45) Chris Hand..........244.12....Drag bike........Valdosta....2009..........1/4 mile



It was a "Harley."

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2016, 06:17:09 PM »
Pretty sure Colt was driving Karls busa not a Kawi

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2016, 07:30:17 PM »
This is from the 'WORLD'S FASTEST" list.

Was this just Nitro ?

45) Chris Hand..........244.12....Drag bike........Valdosta....2009..........1/4 mile

It was a "Harley."

If it was/is a top fuel bike then it is a supercharged Nitro bike.
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2016, 09:06:59 PM »
We should also consider:

Dan Kinesy (Tenacious, S&S 289mph Bonneville one way)
Boris Murray 272mph……Bonneville one way
Johnny Allen………267.08mph Bonneville streamliner / Chevy power 1963 one way 

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2016, 09:11:37 PM »
This is from the 'WORLD'S FASTEST" list.

Was this just Nitro ?

45) Chris Hand..........244.12....Drag bike........Valdosta....2009..........1/4 mile

It was a "Harley."

If it was/is a top fuel bike then it is a supercharged Nitro bike.

You are correct Ramson;

Google Images always shows a multi
with a front-mounted blower......

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2016, 02:34:00 PM »
What is Brenda Sue 239.6.
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2016, 03:00:44 PM »
What is Brenda Sue 239.6.

Good question !

Certainly whoever keeps
that list should have
Ms. Brenda Sue Carver
ON that list !

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2016, 03:01:47 PM »
additional question:

How fast did the red BUB #7 go
BEFORE is had a turbo installed ?

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2016, 03:04:46 PM »
ERIC TABOLI  281.47 mph  Pod 2011
Rocket power

Richard Brown (Rocket man)332.887mph
jet/streamliner Bonneville

I can't decide if either of these
 guys are normally aspired.........

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2016, 03:07:03 PM »
Vance Breese (Counterman) 1994 Bonneville 289 mph

I think when this run was made,
the turbo was not working......

but he ran in a turbo (blown) class.....

What to do............?.

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2016, 04:21:48 AM »
Vance Breese (Counterman) 1994 Bonneville 289 mph

I think when this run was made,
the turbo was not working......

but he ran in a turbo (blown) class.....

What to do............?.


Please explain 🤔
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2016, 09:44:43 AM »
As I found to my intense disappointment,
when running with the SCTA, one MUST
fit a turbo (blower), and it MUST be working !

Otherwise, you may NOT run in a turbo (blown)class !

If you have fit a blower, and the belt comes off,
than BOOM, you are NOT in a turbo (blown)class.

If your turbo "tyes up" and does not produce
boost, than you may NOT run in a turbo class.

Interestingly, if you HAVE a turbo, and it
does NOT work, you are NOT ALLOWED to
run in an NA class........

SO, you can't run NA, and
you can't run Blown. 

Not much left.

Go figure...............

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2016, 09:57:26 AM »
If I remember correctly, Vance was attempting
a record in the 3,000cc class, where the record
was substantially lower than in his
"basic" class of 2000cc.

He was unable to enlarge his engine beyond
about 1750cc, and so unable to "reach"
 his preferred class of 3,000cc.

He also needed to run in a blown class.

Ever thoughtful, Vance added a "blower" which
 was powered by a 300cc rope-start auxiliary engine.

(Think: leaf blower )

The SCTA rightfully adds the displacement of both engines together,
so Vance was moved up to the 3,000cc class, and to blown.

Vance would "rope start" the auxiliary engine on the start line,
and fire the Nitro motor next, and off he would go.

I think there was some question if the auxiliary engine
continued to run - and drive the blower -throughout the 289mph run.

Some said that auxiliary engine was "cold" after the run.

If the auxiliary engine was NOT running, than
the bike would not be legal for the class.

Still, the bike ran 289mph.

But, was it Blown ?

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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2016, 05:01:39 AM »
Interesting ☺
Scott, would you mind supplying more information on this machine please ?, as i have never heard about it,,

Im guessing at that cc it was powered by two Harley motors, huh?,, was it a streamliner ?
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Re: Fastest Naturally Aspirated
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2016, 04:13:26 PM »
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