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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2017, 09:05:23 PM »
I just grabbed this from the lta site

7. MOTORCYCLES
MOTORCYCLE OVERVIEW
Motorcycle records are kept in 6 Categories:
OHC (Overhead Cam), Pushrod, 2-Stroke, Twins, Classics, Electric
Motorcycle Records are comprised of three components:
Motorcycle Class, Engine Type, Engine Displacement/Voltage
For example: MPS/CBG-1350/4 Class –Modified Partial Streamliner
Type – Classic Blown Gas
Size - 1001 - 1350cc. /4 stroke.
CHASSIS AND BODY DESCRIPTIONS
PRODUCTION (P)
A: Production Class is for motorcycles that are stock IN APPEARANCE.
B: Visible engine components must be OEM for the model.
C: Changes to the fueling system, engine, air intake, computers and exhaust
system that are not apparent to exterior view are permitted.
MODIFIED (M)
A: The modified class is for motorcycles BASED on production models.
B: No aerodynamic aids on the front. Commonly referred to as “NAKED”.
C: Removal of the front fairings is usually all that is required. (see rules.)
D: Modifications to the other bodywork is limited.
E: Modifications to the engine, swing arm, tank, pegs are allowed.
MODIFIED PARTIAL STREAMLINER (MPS) Same as Modified(M) with:
A: Aerodynamic aids allowed per rules.
B: Most modern sport bikes with a “chip and can” fall into this class.
C: Custom bodywork is allowed as defined in the rules.
ALTERED (A)
A: Altered is for specially constructed and purpose built race bikes.
B: Aerodynamic front fairings are not allowed.
C: May use 1 or 2 engines of any design.
D: May use non-motorcycle engines. (PRIOR APPROVAL REQUIRED)
ALTERED PARTIAL STREAMLINER (APS) Same as Altered(A) with:
A: Aerodynamic fairings allowed. The rider must be visible per the rules.
B: Modified Class motorcycles with custom APS fairings fall into APS.
SIDECAR (SC)
A: Modified or Altered class motorcycles with a sidecar attached.
B: Riders are not permitted.
STREAMLINER (S) AND SIDECAR STREAMLINER (SCS)
A: Extensive design and construction required.
B: Roll cage, fire suppression, driver restraints, fire suit, etc. required.
C: May use 1 or 2 engines of any design.
D: May use non-motorcycle engines. (PRIOR APPROVAL REQUIRED)
ENGINE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS
MOTORCYCLE ENGINE DEFINITION
A: Engines originally designed for use in motorcycles.
b: Engines originally designed for motorsports vehicles that were also offered
in motorcycles in a volume of 500 units.
NON-MOTORCYCLE ENGINE DEFINITION
A: Engine originally designed for automobiles or non-transportation purposes.
B: Motorsports engines not sold in motorcycles in a volume of 500+ units.

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PRODUCTION – (P) For all engine classes.
Production engines must be the same model as the model of the frame being
used and must have STOCK EXTERNAL APPEARANCE with OEM cylinders,
heads and crankcases. OEM engine displacement determines the displacement
class for competition. Starter must be retained and operable. Carburetors or
throttle bodies must be OEM for that model production engine. ALL
PRODUCTION ENGINES RUN IN GAS (G) CLASS.

VINTAGE – (V) For all Engine Classes except Classic.
Limited to motorcycle engines produced prior to 1956. Non-OEM cases and
heads allowed so long as dimensionally equivalent to OEM.
2-STROKE (/2)
Defined as an engine operating in a 2-cycle fashion.
A: Motorcycle Engines Only - Production and Modified Frame Classes.
OHC
An engine with overhead cam operated valves as defined below.
The camshaft location must fall within the following limitations:
A: Above the valve train.
B: No more than the crankshaft stroke below the OEM cylinder deck.
C: Pushrod length less than twice the crankshaft stroke. (BMW air/oilhead.)
PUSHROD (P)
Any engine with push rod operated valves as defined below.
The camshaft location must fall within the following limitations:
A: At least one crankshaft stroke below the OEM cylinder deck position.
B: OEM pushrod length at least twice the crankshaft stroke.
C: Replacement heads must have the same number of valves as originally
produced for engines of the same series in Production.
TWIN (T)
Any 4-stroke single or twin cylinder motorcycle engine:
A: Pushrod and OHC engines (as defined above).
B: Any cylinder angles between 0 – 180 degrees for twins allowed.
C: Motorcycle Engines Only.
CLASSIC (C)
Any 4-stroke air cooled motorcycle engine:
A: Manufactured between 1956 and 1986 inclusively.
B: Non-OEM cases and heads allowed so long as dimensionally
 equivalent to OEM.
C: Alteration of cooling fin design, size and placement is allowed.
D: Enhanced cooling is not permitted. (ie. water injection, nitrous oxide or
water spray, radiators, enlarged or modified oil systems.
E: Fuel system may be upgraded. OEM carbureted to remain carbureted.
F: OEM fuel injection may be retained, modified, replaced by carburetors.
G: One distributor or magneto allowed.
H: Computers allowed for data collection purposes only.
Electric (E)
Electric is defined as propulsion via electric motors only.
A: Hybrid or ICE generators used to power electric drive motors not allowed.
C: Dual drive motors allowed in Altered class only.
Electric power shall be designated in the LTA records as a fuel class:
i.e. M/E-48 = Modified/Electric – 48 volt.


my interpretation of the production rules would be that a busa must be in the 1350 class, a zx14 would be in the 1650 class, a goldwing would be in the 2000 class and a Rocket 3 would be in the 3000 class.
You would have to talk to one of the race directors to know for sure. we are allowed to race higher displacement classes in mps and aps at a disadvantage where there is no size limit based on oem specs. whatever your motor size is in that case you race that class or higher. looks like the size limit rule has been forgotten???
it would be nice to know what the rules really are as i have a friend that may have a big change in build plans for either 1350 or 1650 production
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Goldwings and Rockets have never raced on paved venues that I know of. Its easier to just have it like it is, that way eveyone has a chance with a nice stroker 14 or Busa build like all P/P1650- 3000 records bikes are now. Its been this way since the early Maxton days. Norhing has changed. That would be silly to think Goldwings would show up. Never once.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2017, 09:08:06 PM »
Those Ti rods must be shorter than stock, i cant see that much lower piston fitted it would not need thick base plate.

Short rods for tons of torque

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2017, 04:32:18 AM »

Goldwings and Rockets have never raced on paved venues that I know of. Its easier to just have it like it is, that way eveyone has a chance with a nice stroker 14 or Busa build like all P/P1650- 3000 records bikes are now. Its been this way since the early Maxton days. Norhing has changed. That would be silly to think Goldwings would show up. Never once.

Would it still be nice to see more different bikes, even if they dont come even close to Busas speeds.
During the 12 years i been going to local speed events, i wanted to see more Italian bikes, Hondas, Yamahas, but no, sometimes its been 32 Busas, 3 Kawasakis, and one BMW.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2017, 06:35:31 AM »

Goldwings and Rockets have never raced on paved venues that I know of. Its easier to just have it like it is, that way eveyone has a chance with a nice stroker 14 or Busa build like all P/P1650- 3000 records bikes are now. Its been this way since the early Maxton days. Norhing has changed. That would be silly to think Goldwings would show up. Never once.

Would it still be nice to see more different bikes, even if they dont come even close to Busas speeds.
During the 12 years i been going to local speed events, i wanted to see more Italian bikes, Hondas, Yamahas, but no, sometimes its been 32 Busas, 3 Kawasakis, and one BMW.

That's because they are speed events...there are plenty of others at road racing events, and usually no Hayabusas. Every once in awhile you get an oddball that tries to use some off the wall platform in drag racing as well.....if they stick with it, it usually results in whining that somehow the rules aren't fair  :liebe084:
« Last Edit: September 10, 2017, 06:40:21 AM by sportbikeryder »
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2017, 07:58:03 AM »
Sorta like the cookie cutter pro street class!!! it gets old seeing the same old busas with the same configuration.  I would like to see the rules change to allow a more variety of bikes like BMW 1000s, MVs, and maybe a few Goldwings, Rockets and a Slinshot or two. The gray areas in their rulebooks just get taken advantage of. Sometimes in certain racing venus those type of bikes just aren't built to compete at such a high level of performance.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2017, 08:35:13 AM »
Steve, what kind of rules changes do you think might work?

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2017, 10:59:21 AM »
Just being nice.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 10:23:10 PM by AlterEgo »
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2017, 11:27:02 AM »
I just grabbed this from the lta site

7. MOTORCYCLES
MOTORCYCLE OVERVIEW
Motorcycle records are kept in 6 Categories:
OHC (Overhead Cam), Pushrod, 2-Stroke, Twins, Classics, Electric
Motorcycle Records are comprised of three components:
Motorcycle Class, Engine Type, Engine Displacement/Voltage
For example: MPS/CBG-1350/4 Class –Modified Partial Streamliner
Type – Classic Blown Gas
Size - 1001 - 1350cc. /4 stroke.
CHASSIS AND BODY DESCRIPTIONS
PRODUCTION (P)
A: Production Class is for motorcycles that are stock IN APPEARANCE.
B: Visible engine components must be OEM for the model.
C: Changes to the fueling system, engine, air intake, computers and exhaust
system that are not apparent to exterior view are permitted.
MODIFIED (M)
A: The modified class is for motorcycles BASED on production models.
B: No aerodynamic aids on the front. Commonly referred to as “NAKED”.
C: Removal of the front fairings is usually all that is required. (see rules.)
D: Modifications to the other bodywork is limited.
E: Modifications to the engine, swing arm, tank, pegs are allowed.
MODIFIED PARTIAL STREAMLINER (MPS) Same as Modified(M) with:
A: Aerodynamic aids allowed per rules.
B: Most modern sport bikes with a “chip and can” fall into this class.
C: Custom bodywork is allowed as defined in the rules.
ALTERED (A)
A: Altered is for specially constructed and purpose built race bikes.
B: Aerodynamic front fairings are not allowed.
C: May use 1 or 2 engines of any design.
D: May use non-motorcycle engines. (PRIOR APPROVAL REQUIRED)
ALTERED PARTIAL STREAMLINER (APS) Same as Altered(A) with:
A: Aerodynamic fairings allowed. The rider must be visible per the rules.
B: Modified Class motorcycles with custom APS fairings fall into APS.
SIDECAR (SC)
A: Modified or Altered class motorcycles with a sidecar attached.
B: Riders are not permitted.
STREAMLINER (S) AND SIDECAR STREAMLINER (SCS)
A: Extensive design and construction required.
B: Roll cage, fire suppression, driver restraints, fire suit, etc. required.
C: May use 1 or 2 engines of any design.
D: May use non-motorcycle engines. (PRIOR APPROVAL REQUIRED)
ENGINE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS
MOTORCYCLE ENGINE DEFINITION
A: Engines originally designed for use in motorcycles.
b: Engines originally designed for motorsports vehicles that were also offered
in motorcycles in a volume of 500 units.
NON-MOTORCYCLE ENGINE DEFINITION
A: Engine originally designed for automobiles or non-transportation purposes.
B: Motorsports engines not sold in motorcycles in a volume of 500+ units.

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PRODUCTION – (P) For all engine classes.
Production engines must be the same model as the model of the frame being
used and must have STOCK EXTERNAL APPEARANCE with OEM cylinders,
heads and crankcases. OEM engine displacement determines the displacement
class for competition. Starter must be retained and operable. Carburetors or
throttle bodies must be OEM for that model production engine. ALL
PRODUCTION ENGINES RUN IN GAS (G) CLASS.

VINTAGE – (V) For all Engine Classes except Classic.
Limited to motorcycle engines produced prior to 1956. Non-OEM cases and
heads allowed so long as dimensionally equivalent to OEM.
2-STROKE (/2)
Defined as an engine operating in a 2-cycle fashion.
A: Motorcycle Engines Only - Production and Modified Frame Classes.
OHC
An engine with overhead cam operated valves as defined below.
The camshaft location must fall within the following limitations:
A: Above the valve train.
B: No more than the crankshaft stroke below the OEM cylinder deck.
C: Pushrod length less than twice the crankshaft stroke. (BMW air/oilhead.)
PUSHROD (P)
Any engine with push rod operated valves as defined below.
The camshaft location must fall within the following limitations:
A: At least one crankshaft stroke below the OEM cylinder deck position.
B: OEM pushrod length at least twice the crankshaft stroke.
C: Replacement heads must have the same number of valves as originally
produced for engines of the same series in Production.
TWIN (T)
Any 4-stroke single or twin cylinder motorcycle engine:
A: Pushrod and OHC engines (as defined above).
B: Any cylinder angles between 0 – 180 degrees for twins allowed.
C: Motorcycle Engines Only.
CLASSIC (C)
Any 4-stroke air cooled motorcycle engine:
A: Manufactured between 1956 and 1986 inclusively.
B: Non-OEM cases and heads allowed so long as dimensionally
 equivalent to OEM.
C: Alteration of cooling fin design, size and placement is allowed.
D: Enhanced cooling is not permitted. (ie. water injection, nitrous oxide or
water spray, radiators, enlarged or modified oil systems.
E: Fuel system may be upgraded. OEM carbureted to remain carbureted.
F: OEM fuel injection may be retained, modified, replaced by carburetors.
G: One distributor or magneto allowed.
H: Computers allowed for data collection purposes only.
Electric (E)
Electric is defined as propulsion via electric motors only.
A: Hybrid or ICE generators used to power electric drive motors not allowed.
C: Dual drive motors allowed in Altered class only.
Electric power shall be designated in the LTA records as a fuel class:
i.e. M/E-48 = Modified/Electric – 48 volt.


my interpretation of the production rules would be that a busa must be in the 1350 class, a zx14 would be in the 1650 class, a goldwing would be in the 2000 class and a Rocket 3 would be in the 3000 class.
You would have to talk to one of the race directors to know for sure. we are allowed to race higher displacement classes in mps and aps at a disadvantage where there is no size limit based on oem specs. whatever your motor size is in that case you race that class or higher. looks like the size limit rule has been forgotten???
it would be nice to know what the rules really are as i have a friend that may have a big change in build plans for either 1350 or 1650 production

Goldwings and Rockets have never raced on paved venues that I know of. Its easier to just have it like it is, that way eveyone has a chance with a nice stroker 14 or Busa build like all P/P1650- 3000 records bikes are now. Its been this way since the early Maxton days. Norhing has changed. That would be silly to think Goldwings would show up. Never once.

its not that silly, it leaves records available for people with big displacement production a bikes a place to race and get records. maybe not a goldwing, but a vmax. they cant compete with bikes like yours with more into the motor than they spent on their whole bike so why would they show up? the name of the game is getting more racers and fans there right? so that the events continue to happen? we might have 5 racers go if there was just 1 unlimited class, the event would be unaffordable, and would cease to exist after a couple races. if your motor doesnt fit into a production class, you race where it fits, like MPS 2000 or 3000.

just my 2 cents on my interpretation of the rules.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2017, 01:30:37 PM »

 the name of the game is getting more racers and fans there right? so that the events continue to happen?

This is what i been thinking for years, you cant have these events too big,

When some biker been asking me what is this land speeding about, and next comment was , he wants to come but wont when he does not have what it takes to compete with fast bikes... what the hell... its about the experience and getting better on what ever bike he rides.

 ( i am not sure how it is in US , but here it also includes getting few beers afterwards and talking about the experiences with both, pros and amateurs)

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2017, 01:49:54 PM »
Roo you make a great point, I've been saying for years that there are too many fabricated records, like, worlds or earths fastest without FIM timing slips, people just make them up to fit their configuration, ego,and speed.  The only true production class records are sanctioned by the AMA and displacement, configuration, and modifications are all inspected. ECTA, SCTA and the others are just club racing, records are club, track or event records, nothing else period, there are no World or National records at these events, same for Speed Week, World of Speed Etc....

I might agree if it wasn't a team that has such a long and storied history at Bonneville. I think the Forstall crew can compete anywhere (and have, with huge success), but chose this bike and venue according to the rules. So what's your point? It doesn't meet your standards? I bet Steve is OK with that. -Dean

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2017, 06:45:26 PM »

Dean,,,Your first statement is contradictory, work on that please. 
Its all about protecting the sanctity and validity of the sport, its not mine or any one individuals standards.
Before you know it there will be 15 people making same claims of the fastest in whatever class they chose, especially on this forum, it has become rather silly to hear of all the fabricated records on this forum. 
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2017, 07:30:27 PM »

Dean,,,Your first statement is contradictory, work on that please. 
Its all about protecting the sanctity and validity of the sport, its not mine or any one individuals standards.
Before you know it there will be 15 people making same claims of the fastest in whatever class they chose, especially on this forum, it has become rather silly to hear of all the fabricated records on this forum.



Fabricated records?   I'm done with trying to explain what we've been doing for years in multiple venues.  Just  Google me!!  No more comments from me. SMH!!

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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2017, 07:38:58 PM »

 :playnice:
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2017, 07:53:50 PM »
I almost took the bait. Thanks for your service to the sport Kerry, you are a true hero. 

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« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2017, 08:08:02 PM »
I almost took the bait. Thanks for your service to the sport Kerry, you are a true hero.

Stink bait!!!    :punk:

But really,,  all 15 of you here on this forum cant claim to be the worlds/ earths/ nations, fastest, you guys just make up shit on a whim and expect your 14 other buddies on the forum to believe that you and they are the fastest in the world/ earth. 

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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2017, 08:27:09 PM »
There was a Kawi a few months ago claiming to be the earth fastest production bike, so many here (all 15 of you )
really flamed that story.   His claim is just as valid as other claims on this forum.  Garbage in-Garbage out. 

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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2017, 08:34:49 PM »
Here is my new RSV4, just got it today.  What an amazing bike, its the earths fastest 1000cc bike and I have not even raced it yet!!!
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2017, 03:00:00 AM »


Fabricated records?   I'm done with trying to explain what we've been doing for years in multiple venues.  Just  Google me!!  No more comments from me. SMH!!
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2017, 03:50:15 AM »
There was a Kawi a few months ago claiming to be the earth fastest production bike, so many here (all 15 of you )
really flamed that story.   His claim is just as valid as other claims on this forum.  Garbage in-Garbage out.

Kenan from Turkey ?

I hear about him every now and then. Just recently one friend found the article and said if i know about this Kawasaki rider who ran 0-400kmh (248.5mph) in 26 seconds, haw fast were you ?
At first i told him that it was only speedo reading on the H2R , and no-one truly knows how fast he went.
Also my turbobusa goes 23s  from 0-400kmh.

My intention is to get the best speed without using aftermarket ecu or boost control, is there a class for that ?

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2017, 06:17:33 AM »
Well, I’ve read enough.

Let’s see are we talking about FIM?  The organization that turned their back on Bonneville for 20+ years, until they started getting paid to attend?  Funny how this site tries to maintain/combine records from more than 12 different international venues, which are nearly equally represented.  While 95% of the FIM world speed records come from how many different venues?  So, who is keeping club or track racing records?
 
Yes, I do respect FIM records, but also SCTA, LTA, as well as others. Is there issues and concerns about these records?  Of course they are, but I am aware of most of those issues.  Does it upset me? NO. I know what the rulebook says and what speeds are “reasonable” for each class. But personally, I am not after a piece of paper or accolade from others, I compete against myself.
 
Should we police ourselves?  Yes.  But “in the real world” that includes the self-centered narcissist masses who believe and react to everything they see on the Internet; they don’t care.  “They” believe that an H2R going a speedo indicated 400 kph is the fastest motorcycle on earth.
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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2017, 07:28:26 AM »
Is there a Production/F class so you could throw on a Tiger Racing bracket and a nitrous bottle under the hump?
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2017, 05:13:25 PM »
Is there a Production/F class so you could throw on a Tiger Racing bracket and a nitrous bottle under the hump?

I believe thats covered by this:

ALL PRODUCTION ENGINES RUN IN GAS (G) CLASS.

but if we are ignoring this:

OEM engine displacement determines the displacement class for competition.


Whos to say someone wont try to run a hidden nitrous system next? a 50 shot is a lot more affordable than a monster motor
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00 ZX-12R  1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB Worlds Fastest NA Kawasaki
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2017, 12:07:10 PM »
As unpopular as I or my opinions may be at least there discussions are starting and some are able to see that we do need to police our selves and compare Apple's to apples, have some sense of regulation and rules instead of several racers making the same claim.  Just last week at the Colorado Mile a racer ran high 240's and claimed the track record which is correct. There are several of the  earth or world fastest production bikes , who has validity? 
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2017, 12:32:20 PM »
A few years ago  a guy on a 600 was trying to have a record for having the most records and pay tribute to bill by getting 311 records,   he was upclassing, sideclassing, running NA in forced induction classesand running multiple classes in the same pass for multiple records, basicly cherrypicking , and finding flaws within event rules, how valid is that?  And the club or event let it happen.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2017, 12:44:00 PM »
So now you are going to Bash Greg Neal?

Why in non production classes do you have a problem with people running "up classes"
Do you even race at any of the venues we are discussing?
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