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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2017, 03:31:12 PM »
Greg Neal has the worlds fastest standing mile and 1.5 mile naturally aspirated 650 class speeds of 190.9 and 195.6 respectively. Chew on those numbers...
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2017, 04:55:03 PM »
Greg Neal has the worlds fastest standing mile and 1.5 mile naturally aspirated 650 class speeds of 190.9 and 195.6 respectively. Chew on those numbers...


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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2017, 07:13:52 AM »
Great job Steve and Larry.

Congrats to you both!!!  :tu:
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2017, 07:48:55 AM »
As unpopular as I or my opinions may be at least there discussions are starting and some are able to see that we do need to police our selves and compare Apple's to apples, have some sense of regulation and rules instead of several racers making the same claim.  Just last week at the Colorado Mile a racer ran high 240's and claimed the track record which is correct. There are several of the  earth or world fastest production bikes , who has validity?

I have an idea.  If I read the FIM rules correctly, while they have some very specific regulations about the venue size, I do believe that Loring, Maine meets the venue requirements for the standing mile.  Why don't you check and see what it would cost to have FIM to be present for an event at Loring?
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2017, 08:40:50 AM »
That would be great if someone got the FIM involved in these events. Cost would be high and Their track requirements are strick. 

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2017, 08:59:26 AM »
I thought the biggest problem was they insist on running both directions
most track will have a problem with that

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« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2017, 10:50:40 AM »
"OEM Engine Displacement", read, "OEM ENGINE DISPLACEMENT" determines the displacement class for competition,,

I guess their rules are pick and choose the ones you comply with.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2017, 01:22:43 PM »
I thought the biggest problem was they insist on running both directions
most track will have a problem with that

FIM World Records have been set at Elvington,,
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« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2017, 06:59:27 PM »


Fabricated records?   I'm done with trying to explain what we've been doing for years in multiple venues.  Just  Google me!!  No more comments from me. SMH!!


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« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2017, 07:29:50 PM »
Straight from Wikipedia!!!  Describing Professional Wresting and how it used to be a valid sport, do we want the same for Motorcycle Land Speed Racing?  I think not.

Professional wrestling in the United States, until the 1920s, was viewed as a legitimate sport. This view did not endure into the 1930s, as professional wrestling became identified with modern theatrics, or "admitted fakeness" ("kayfabe"), moving away from being a showcase for true competition. The scripted nature of the art has made critics view it as an illegitimate sport, particularly in comparison to boxing, mixed martial arts, amateur wrestling, and the real sport itself, wrestling. No major promoter or wrestler denies that modern professional wrestling has predetermined match outcomes.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2017, 07:31:49 PM »
I thought the biggest problem was they insist on running both directions
most track will have a problem with that

FIM World Records have been set at Elvington,,

Where is it?   Is it a dry lake bed?
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2017, 11:27:10 AM »
Ive contacted the LTA race director and the event director and they say running a production bike in an engine displacement class above what the oem size falls into makes it ILLEGAL. so the maximum size for a hayabusa or zx12 would be 1350cc. the max size for a 14 would be the 1650 class.  A Hayabusa bigger than 1350cc has to run in MPS in the appropriate displacement class even if it appears to be oem. They allow running up in displacement in other classes as theres no oem size limit rule in those, just Production. 

Sorry Steve, its a great accomplishment, but you entered a class that was not available. I was thinking about building a 1650 production bike with a friend, but using his 12 would render that illegal as well.
 
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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2017, 12:00:32 PM »
@Scott,,   Interesting,,, I bet that makes a lot of prior records invalid.  Again,, we all need to protect the validity of our sport.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2017, 12:55:39 PM »
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2017, 01:49:01 PM »
World records are only sanctioned by the FIM, period....



Is that some generally agreed upon thing or is it just a statement made by FIM to get folks to pay for their services?
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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2017, 02:27:41 PM »
Ive contacted the LTA race director and the event director and they say running a production bike in an engine displacement class above what the oem size falls into makes it ILLEGAL. so the maximum size for a hayabusa or zx12 would be 1350cc. the max size for a 14 would be the 1650 class.  A Hayabusa bigger than 1350cc has to run in MPS in the appropriate displacement class even if it appears to be oem. They allow running up in displacement in other classes as theres no oem size limit rule in those, just Production. 

Sorry Steve, its a great accomplishment, but you entered a class that was not available. I was thinking about building a 1650 production bike with a friend, but using his 12 would render that illegal as well.

Whats funny is, I told the event director my engine size right to his face. He knew I was running Production and my exact engine size and I passed tech. I think we hurt some feelings with my 220+ speed ! For someone that doesn't run the class and to go out of his way to  make sure that I am certainly in a wrong class, for I assume mainly because I went 220. I ran 220 with a stock appearing,  foot shifting, stock height  Production bodied class motorcycle. I didn't enter the 1350 class, I didn't spray NOS, I used VP race fuel. I didn't do anything different then I have since the Maxton days of doing the same thing, and there are other racers that hold records in the Prod class that are stll in the books of Ohio and LTA that run strokers. So they are invalid as well?

How is it fair for a 14 to be able to stroke and bore their motor to 1650 and run PP 1650?. That means only a 14 would hold the Prod records in PP1650 class.  It would only make sense to allow a Busa to do the same thing. So you say a Busa couldn't even run up a class to 1650?, but a 14 can be bored and stroked. Thats just stupid. I think if maybe I would've kept it to a speed of 210, there wouldn't be big stink about all this. My goal was to go the fastest as a Production bodied bike and I did it!!! regardless of the class CC limit rules that you inforced. Maybe you should start analyzing the current record book for some more illegal entrants.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2017, 02:32:23 PM »
World records are only sanctioned by the FIM, period....



Is that some generally agreed upon thing or is it just a statement made by FIM to get folks to pay for their services?

That means even in all of NHRA and IDBL they are not World Records are they ? They are club records and I would be ok with that!! They are Personal Records for me, thats all that matters. I've had FIM records, they were broke like records are meant to be

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2017, 02:44:26 PM »
World records are only sanctioned by the FIM, period....



Is that some generally agreed upon thing or is it just a statement made by FIM to get folks to pay for their services?

and isn't it funny how FIM uses SCTA timing equipment on the same track as SCTA for their own "world" records?
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2017, 03:59:53 PM »
World records are only sanctioned by the FIM, period....



Is that some generally agreed upon thing or is it just a statement made by FIM to get folks to pay for their services?

That means even in all of NHRA and IDBL they are not World Records are they ? They are club records and I would be ok with that!! They are Personal Records for me, thats all that matters. I've had FIM records, they were broke like records are meant to be

Very true about records being meant to be broken,   I land speed race for me.  I have a long term goal and if someone goes faster than me , yes I have a momentary paing of jealousy But then smile and am happy for them.  I have never told anyone I have a "world record"  I HAD a naked record at Loring, 
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Ive contacted the LTA race director and the event director and they say running a production bike in an engine displacement class above what the oem size falls into makes it ILLEGAL.

One Adam 12, One Adam 12, see the man that complaining about a Prod Bodied Busa going about as fast as an MPS bike!!  :moon:

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« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2017, 05:11:22 PM »
Ive contacted the LTA race director and the event director and they say running a production bike in an engine displacement class above what the oem size falls into makes it ILLEGAL. so the maximum size for a hayabusa or zx12 would be 1350cc. the max size for a 14 would be the 1650 class.  A Hayabusa bigger than 1350cc has to run in MPS in the appropriate displacement class even if it appears to be oem. They allow running up in displacement in other classes as theres no oem size limit rule in those, just Production. 

Sorry Steve, its a great accomplishment, but you entered a class that was not available. I was thinking about building a 1650 production bike with a friend, but using his 12 would render that illegal as well.

Whats funny is, I told the event director my engine size right to his face. He knew I was running Production and my exact engine size and I passed tech. I think we hurt some feelings with my 220+ speed ! For someone that doesn't run the class and to go out of his way to  make sure that I am certainly in a wrong class, for I assume mainly because I went 220. I ran 220 with a stock appearing,  foot shifting, stock height  Production bodied class motorcycle. I didn't enter the 1350 class, I didn't spray NOS, I used VP race fuel. I didn't do anything different then I have since the Maxton days of doing the same thing, and there are other racers that hold records in the Prod class that are stll in the books of Ohio and LTA that run strokers. So they are invalid as well?

How is it fair for a 14 to be able to stroke and bore their motor to 1650 and run PP 1650?. That means only a 14 would hold the Prod records in PP1650 class.  It would only make sense to allow a Busa to do the same thing. So you say a Busa couldn't even run up a class to 1650?, but a 14 can be bored and stroked. Thats just stupid. I think if maybe I would've kept it to a speed of 210, there wouldn't be big stink about all this. My goal was to go the fastest as a Production bodied bike and I did it!!! regardless of the class CC limit rules that you inforced. Maybe you should start analyzing the current record book for some more illegal entrants.

I would guess they forgot about the rule as running in bigger displacement classes is common and allowed in MPS and APS. However most people building bikes for a specific class tend to look at the rules... Im guessing you forgot about the rule as well, or (unlikely) you hoped nobody would call you on it. I didnt even know it existed until it was mentioned in this thread and i looked it up.  Like i said above, Im interested in doing a production bike with a friend, so im now interested in the rules as i dont want to take an illegal bike like you did.

regardless of what you consider stupid, a zx14 is under the 1650cc limit and over 1350cc so yes it can be made bigger, the same as any other bike that falls in that class. so you dont have to worry about any 14s taking a legit 1350 production record. you may need to be wary of a 12 ;)

ps how am I enforcing rules? im just talking about it.
im perfectly fine with you claiming to have the worlds fastest production looking bike, you did a great job building and driving. but claiming worlds fastest production bike is a bit of a lie if it was illegal for the class is it not?? production looking could have a 150 shot added if its stealth and blow that 220 out of the water, hence the need for rules and classes
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2017, 05:42:12 PM »
RANT OVER !!!
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2017, 06:07:26 PM »
Maxton in its inception, let (ALL) classes bump up an engine size class, not DOWN. This was done to bring in more revenue to the organization. LTA to my knowledge followed the same PAVEMENT rules when it became LTA, as did The Ohio Mile. If you look at the Ohio Mile Pavement records, the Production 1650 and 3000 records exist with engines built like mine, actually one of them I built. These are existing records that are retired. Maxton did the same thing and they are retired as records STILL!!! My records that I broke in the 2000 and 3000 class were EXISTING records, and they were set in 2017 and that person got into the 200MPH club in the class P/P 2000-G  setting a record. They were Production bikes that are built in the same manner as mine. They were stroker mountain motors! That follow the Pavement LSR rules. These are not SCTA rules!!! So that being said, why would all of the sudden my records be invalid when a I broke an existing record that was held by a Prod bike built the same way? Ok so now you want to change the rules, that's fine!! but you would change them for 2018. It would be totally unfair to take my records away when I broke existing records as stated earlier. So what you would do is RETIRE those existing records that has everyone's pantys in a bunch.  That should clear things  up for the existing records and records set in the future for the Production Class.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2017, 06:41:31 PM »
Rant over
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