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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2017, 09:06:50 PM »
This guy has the Worlds Fastest production bike. :punk: :deathmetal:

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2017, 02:39:43 AM »
Some sections of this thread do appear to be a "rant", (muddying the waters) however this discussion has to be had,, I agree totally with KZScotts comments, thay are factual and right on subject 🙂
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2017, 09:42:29 AM »
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2017, 10:51:12 AM »
So you employ jockeys and don't race your own bikes?
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2017, 11:21:00 AM »
Dont you think you have too many different classes in US for land speed bikes.
If you define the bike to last detail what it can have or cant have, there is very small window what the speed will be.

Years ago when i rode my n/a Busa and changed the motor and setup every year, of course to make it faster every time, my friend stepped up with this simulation software, he asked me the power curve, gearing i was using and the weather for the day when the event was. He calculated the speed in less than 1mph, and since then the LSR never been the same for me, no magical speed increases or records anymore, and if there is , you should check the timing , there is always an explanation.

If we had the same rules you have in US, we could stay at home and calculate what the speeds would be.
But, fortunately , there is the weather , and turbos , which can create surprises, also mr Murphy.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2017, 02:58:30 PM »
Dont you think you have too many different classes in US for land speed bikes.
If you define the bike to last detail what it can have or cant have, there is very small window what the speed will be.

Years ago when i rode my n/a Busa and changed the motor and setup every year, of course to make it faster every time, my friend stepped up with this simulation software, he asked me the power curve, gearing i was using and the weather for the day when the event was. He calculated the speed in less than 1mph, and since then the LSR never been the same for me, no magical speed increases or records anymore, and if there is , you should check the timing , there is always an explanation.

If we had the same rules you have in US, we could stay at home and calculate what the speeds would be.
But, fortunately , there is the weather , and turbos , which can create surprises, also mr Murphy.

No we are fine with the classs. We actually run those speeds, not calculated speeds.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2017, 03:01:12 PM »
If your meaning SCTA, USFRA, yes there are a lot of classes,AMA is pretty close to them too  ,  FIM is much more simple if you can work out there terminology and actually find the records listed

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2017, 03:02:41 PM »
My opinion is this:

The rulebook says, for PP, "OEM engine displacement determines class for competition."

That would seem to be cut and dry. But if we have people on ZX14R's running PP3000, and getting in the club (which recently occurred, I believe I witnessed)....then I am not sure how we interpret that rule.

For clarity, maybe it needs to be specified in the rulebook..."no running above maximum base class displacement".

As far as what Steve has said, if he told Tim the details, and then Tim allowed it...well, you would have to ask Tim.

Nonetheless, it will all get square, one way or the other, I am sure of that.  :)


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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2017, 03:05:29 PM »


No we are fine with the classs. We actually run those speeds, not calculated speeds.

That is fine then sir, so do we.

It just takes part of the fun out when guy comes to pit and goes through the bikes and says what speeds they will run, and he is mostly right.
But then, the riders know each other for years, and know the builds and projects beforehand, (this also includes drinking beer together)

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2017, 03:30:42 PM »
Thats cool too !!!  As long as we are all having fun right?

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2017, 05:05:44 PM »
So you employ jockeys and don't race your own bikes?

Haha, you so funny ;)  they pay me..


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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2017, 06:05:24 PM »
LTA, SCTA and DLRA  rules state that the competitor is responsible for nominating which class he runs in, it is not up to the officials,,
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #87 on: October 04, 2017, 10:42:07 AM »
My team first ran in the "production" class
at Bonneville in 1976 - so it's been more than 40 years for us.

My memory is that most venues require the PROFILE
of the bike to be "standard," any look "showroom."

In the 1970's, there was (the very faint) hope this would
 lead to more "factory interest in LSR, and so
more visibility for the sport - with the assumption
that the factories would use
their accomplishments in advertising.

Early on, the displacement was
NOT limited to the "original" class.

Many competitors would "bore and stroke"
 a bike to enter a higher displacement engine class. 

HOWEVER, they were limited to the original
size and type of carbs and exhaust pipes.

My eventual partner in the CAR side
of the team, JACK DOLAN, always
 thought that "boring out" was silly !

"The problem with that is if you
enlarge a 750 bike to 999cc,
the carbs and pipes are too small. 

Let's take a 1000cc bike,
 and reduce it to 750cc,
and get  big pipes and carbs 'for free.'"

Over time, most rules change and mature.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2017, 09:47:31 AM »
Speaking of factory bikes:  It was great to see Polaris, uh I mean Indian, on the salt this year.  Maybe some of the other bike companies will get the hint.
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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #89 on: October 16, 2017, 12:17:46 AM »
"OEM engine displacement determines the displacement
class for competition"

I must be missing something here, which is not unusual.

So humor me, but I have a question.

My question is this:

It says oem engine size determines the class.

So, for "Production", you are required to enter the class of 1299 cc if you have a Busa.  There is no 1299 class, and assuming the way things normally work, you enter the class that is not OVER the engine size you have, which would be the 1350 class.

But this is not the normal case.  Normally, at pavent tracks, you are always allowed to enter in a BIGGER class than what your engine would fit UNDER.

However, where does it say in the in the rules quoted above that your engine cannot be MORE cc's  (larger) than the "Production" class it is REQUIRED to enter based on it's ORIGINAL size?  It just says that is the CLASS you have to enter, along with the stock appearance stuff.  I do not see where it says it cannot be a LARGER engine if it is stock in appearance.  Is that written somewhere else? Specifically, as to the "Production" class? I would think that would be the case in this instance.  If not, it should be explicitly stated, not implied.  The way the rule is written, as quoted above, is very specific regarding the  ENTRY into the "Production" class regarding ORIGINAL engine size. This would appear that is something, to my somewhat limited knowledge, that is unique to that class.  I do not believe any other class "REQUIRES" entry into a specific class based on what the model's ORIGINAL engine size was.

Enlighten me, please.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2017, 12:28:54 AM »
And if Steve cleared it with race direction, what more could he possibly do?

Even if he didnt, common practice has always been to allow someone to run up in class.

For decades.

From what I read, and again, I may be wrong, in most legal venues, regardless of what is on the law books (or race rule books), what is commonly practiced in the "real world" that my be unclear or even contrary to what is written in the law (race rule books) can be interpreted by the courts (or race direction) as what has become "reasonable and customary", and is/will be allowed to continue to occur.

It is called "precedent" (old race records set).

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #91 on: October 21, 2017, 11:29:12 AM »
Walt, the 1999-2017 Busa would fit into the 1350cc P class, the ZX14 would fit in the 1650 P class and so on. You can run up the classes like we have been. Starting next yr there will be a True Prod class where none of that's allowed. So it opens up another set of classes that people can go after records in a Prod class. My records will still be there for people to break and should not be that hard as long as they have about the same HP. I don't know about installing straps to lower the frontal area in the Prod classes though.  I don't feel that's legal.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #92 on: May 12, 2018, 06:31:06 PM »
I think steve got shafted... director should have chirped right away about the bike being noncompliant... he knew the engine size before the run.....steves reputation and status in the industry has never been disputed by anyone.... unless u think steve is a liar and has no integrity.... that's like calling Muhammad Ali a pussy.

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Re: FASTEST PRODUCTION BIKE ON EARTH
« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2018, 09:44:29 PM »
I think steve got shafted... director should have chirped right away about the bike being noncompliant... he knew the engine size before the run.....steves reputation and status in the industry has never been disputed by anyone.... unless u think steve is a liar and has no integrity.... that's like calling Muhammad Ali a pussy.

Thank you,  but I didn't get shafted. My records stand.