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Offline Yngve

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« on: March 23, 2003, 04:14:00 PM »
I kinda like this bad Block  
 
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2003, 06:49:00 PM »
what are the details on this block???? And how much???
SPEED---- Gotta Have IT !!!!

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2003, 10:51:00 AM »
Its TTS development engine.
90mm bore and 73,5mm stroke for a total of 1870ccm.

 TTS 1900 Engine

Dont know whats up with the low HP numbers he quotes ( 245 RWHP ) but I guess he is one of those who doesnt "lie".......
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2003, 04:25:00 AM »
The whole GSX1900R was featured in our Bike press,
Looks awesome..
TTS are near where I live, I`ve talked to Richard
Albans before about the 1500 and 1600cc Busa`s
they build.
The 1900 is good enough for 240mph according to the press report, don`t know if I`ve still got
the report...

The road tests they did in 2001 in Superbike
magazine were pretty crayzee speeds....this road test featured both the 1300cc well sorted TTS
and the 1600cc TTS Busa.
Oh and Jack Frosts "Holeshot" turbo Busa aswell,.
awesome.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2003, 07:19:00 AM »
The walls between cylinders look a little thin
to me,  maybe ?

How they fit the 40mm longer barrels into the Busa
engine space I haven`t seen yet.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2003, 07:43:00 AM »
na lotsa meat between them
bogus open deck design though  

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2003, 02:42:00 PM »
The idea behind the engine was for 2000cc car hill climb class. But you guys in the USA love big things. I've run the motor at 2 drag events late last year on a 4 inch over but not slammed bike, just a test bed. I ran 9.7/157 with a 1.9 60' but couldn't put the power down, but it was good fun. The spec was std injecter bodies with bigger injecters. std head with .398/.375 Web cams, 14:1 on super unleaded 97 ron pump fuel. it made 240 rwbhp at 8000, 160lb/ft at 6000. I pulled it apart and everything looks fine. I will be rebuilding it with 440/395 cams, 2 mm over inlets and 1mm over exhausts and up the compression some more. plus some oversize injector bodies and a bigger bore pipe. Most of its done but customers keep getting in the way, I have to earn money to play I suppose. By the way the bore and rods centres are 93.5mm, with the long rods the pistons don't come into the crankcase so that helps on the bore size. I will be selling kits consisting of block, crank, rods, pistons, cylinder studs, primary drive and clutch basket, so you can get your tuning guro's to build one if you wish.

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2003, 07:57:00 PM »
hey biga, email me a price on the complete kit.  I just got off the phone with a guy who is very interested and wants me to supply him with some figures..   He has $$ too.  
thanks..

Chris

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2003, 01:40:00 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by FastGixx:
hey biga, email me a price on the complete kit.  I just got off the phone with a guy who is very interested and wants me to supply him with some figures..   He has $$ too.  
thanks..

Chris

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And he'll need a awful lot of it as well !    

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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2003, 04:47:00 AM »
What size would it become with a stock Busa stroke?

About how much for block and pistons?

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2003, 10:28:00 AM »
How much for the complete package????If i remember it was around 4 grand plus a whole lot of complicated shit ...i don't think it's worth it.  

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2003, 08:01:00 AM »
Pooh,  I told him something like this may cost about 10 grand + headwork.    I was just guessing on the figures but he asked for me to get some exact prices..    He wants me to build another ass kicking engine for him this winter.  Its either gonna be this set up or a turbo..   He would rather keep it motor but the cons of a motor set up like that totaly out weigh the pros.  

350 hp turbo and if you blow it up, you blow up a 2k stock engine + some rods n springs maybe.  

Blow that big 1900cc sob up and your gonna feel it for a long time!!!!!!  Your asshole will feel like a truck just rode through it.    

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2003, 09:14:00 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by surprenant:
How much for the complete package????If i remember it was around 4 grand plus a whole lot of complicated shit ...i don't think it's worth it.          

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2003, 10:09:00 AM »
how much for the block and pistons?
Carl
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2003, 11:22:00 PM »
"how much for the block and pistons?"
Carl

The rod journals on the crank has been offsetted
to give enough bore cc distances to accomodate
those 90mm (or was 91mm) pistons, so you will need the crank and special primary drive to
use that block.
/Christer

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2003, 03:49:00 PM »
quote:
Originally posted by FastGixx:
Pooh,  I told him something like this may cost about 10 grand + headwork.    I was just guessing on the figures but he asked for me to get some exact prices..    He wants me to build another ass kicking engine for him this winter.  Its either gonna be this set up or a turbo..   He would rather keep it motor but the cons of a motor set up like that totaly out weigh the pros.  

350 hp turbo and if you blow it up, you blow up a 2k stock engine + some rods n springs maybe.  

Blow that big 1900cc sob up and your gonna feel it for a long time!!!!!!  Your asshole will feel like a truck just rode through it.    

I think he'll be in for an awful shock, as I enquired a while ago about the same package, but with TTS's kick ass billet throttle bodies (these are a work of art and bladeless).   I was quoted about 15,000 POUNDS.......which works out to about 24,000 dollars.

TTS may have changed the pricing structure a little, so don't take my post as gospel, wait for Richard to answer you.   But rest assured, it will be a awesome motor!

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2003, 11:38:00 PM »
Thanks Christer, Dennis is building me a 1464 with a 5 mm stroke crank making it a 1580. (thank you jonny cheese for the crank)Trying to get 400 H.P. off not sure how much on boost. Just wondering how much I would gain with this TTS set up. One more question if you have time, What is the "special primary drive" that you were talking about above. Don't mean to sound stupid. Thank again Christer for taking the time to answer.        
Carl

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2003, 11:43:00 PM »
since the crank has the rod journals relocated to get the larger bore centers, the primary drive gear is now in a different location than before

TTS supplies you a matching offset primary driven gear that wraps around the clutch basket and lines up with their crank's gear

also you must use their cam chain kit
different length chain, guides and peanut chain conversion i believe

my freind just got all the parts from richard
and they look great, but this package is not for someone without a lot of experience and access to a machine shop or a skilled machinist

the water jackets in the head no longer match the block (the bore centers are too much offset from where they were so you must weld the head and remachine the jackets)
headgasket must be custom made (offset bores)
etc, etc
very , very long rods must be used if you want to get anywhere near back to the stock rod ratio
and that means the head will be so high, alignment becomes an issue (motor mounts/airbox)
thats not even taking into account the 5.25 mm (the stroke is +10.5mm) the stroke raises the head

lotsa custom stuff must be made

but BIG BIG hp can be made too
maybe 280-300 at the tire

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2003, 11:46:00 PM »
Well dragzooks, it sounds like there is no way this would be streetable to run every day    , drag app or car hill climb events like what was posted above. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!  
Christer, guess I just need to pay att to what the Dennis is saying instead of reaching for the "beyond stupid" of what will be street serviceable for everyday fun factor. Dennis figured with the 1464 and 5mm stroke that there will be a slight alignment problem with the upper mount bolts but nothing like it would be with the TTS 1900 set up. (but sure would be fun to drive under boost though        )
Carl
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2003, 04:03:00 PM »
Glad to be of help Carl!
I believe that a 1580 motor with the NLR race
turbo will be qite enough overkill.....hehe
Yes listen to Dennis, i´ve talked with him
on some turbo stuff also so I think You are
covered in the power department!
/Christer

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2003, 02:32:00 AM »
quote:
Originally posted by HOS:
The whole GSX1900R was featured in our Bike press,
Looks awesome..
TTS are near where I live, I`ve talked to Richard
Albans before about the 1500 and 1600cc Busa`s
they build.
The 1900 is good enough for 240mph according to the press report, don`t know if I`ve still got
the report...


HOS, any idea where I could find the info you talked about above? I would really like to read about it.
Carl
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2003, 03:54:00 AM »
Got Dyno Chart for this monster?