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Offline SleeperSupra

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« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2004, 11:17:25 PM »
This is some great reading. LOL... LOL...  :lol:  :duh:

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« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2004, 12:48:37 AM »
I've got both bikes....

Remember there is a separation between busas, also.

I have an original 99 COPPER, all you other busa guys are johnny-come-lately pussies!

Was the 12r restricted from the factory?

YES!

Proof?

According to the kawi wankers, because you can add a pipe and air filter and gain HP!

I called BS, all bikes are restricted, even Harleys cause you can add a pipe and filter and add HP :D  :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2004, 03:44:17 AM »
Quote from: SleeperSupra
This is some great reading. LOL... LOL...  :lol:  :duh:


This is one of the main ZX-12 nutters we been telling you about sleeper. In his mind Walser and Any supra that's ever killed a Hayabusa ain't shit and have been racing the wrong motorcycle. In his eyes he believes a Piped, geared, Tre, ZX-12 would pump out enough power to destroy a equal modded busa in a roll on race.  With this said, If ya know of any supra board members in the UK with a 800-900rwhp supra send them this guys e-mail and a link to this thread. This could get downright funny video seeing FK's goofy shit dripped face when he get's smoked by a cage. :twisted:

It is interesting as I can't recall any kind of vid of a roll on race between a 800+hp car and stock or piped ZX-12 (not counting the monster that slayed manny's 860rwhp viper). Either win or lose for the bike.  I'm rather curious as to how the bike would fair.  :lol:

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« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2004, 11:28:06 AM »
After Tony and I raced (we posted the video of his supercharged Viper and my '99 on here last year) we tried lining up a stock '12 to race Tony but the '12 owners we spoke with didn't want any part of it.  :P

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« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2004, 01:10:09 PM »
a friend of mine has a 12 and we ride with a bunch of twats opps i mean busa riders and he has bet 4 or 5 of them all ready and the rest wont race him because they all have big bore motors so whats up with that , thought they [12] where all slow, we traded bikes  mine is a zx10 and race a 04 busa on it and the busa coulndt pass him whats up with that, and that busa was suppose to have over 175 hp at the rear wheel .right i forgot all busa riders know everything about everything, so dont go home and bet your old ladys over this just my 2 cents
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« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2004, 01:25:44 PM »
Dont worry we dont take to heart anything a zx10 or 12 kid has to say, we understand your hateful view on the world for poor desicion making.

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« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2004, 02:58:35 PM »
Before you quote hp, you might want to do some research.  That is 175hp at the crank. No one ever said that the 12 was slow it is just not fast enough!  None of the liter bikes can be considered slow (in my opinion) but they are not all fast enough (for the busa).
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« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2004, 02:59:30 PM »
Where are you and your budy at??  If you around here we can go play.
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« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2004, 04:40:19 PM »
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let off at the end of the race  lol  that is pretty funny!!   Never seen that happen b fore  

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« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2004, 06:27:29 PM »
"""hey FEARSOME"""It's about time some one slapped these bitch's in the face now wake up & bend over fags & take ah dog dick in the ass.....blind basterds...R1'S & 10R'S ARE MAKING YOU ASSHOLES LOOK STUPIED on the street .....hey your bikes are still faster then harleys it aint all that bad...LOL.. 8)

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« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2004, 07:03:19 PM »
r1gsxrkiller proclaimed:

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"""hey FEARSOME"""It's about time some one slapped these bitch's in the face now wake up & bend over fags & take ah dog dick in the ass.....blind basterds...R1'S & 10R'S ARE MAKING YOU ASSHOLES LOOK STUPIED on the street .....hey your bikes are still faster then harleys it aint all that bad...LOL..


Ah, so your true personality (or lack thereof) comes out.

First, some spelling corrections.

You wrote__________ Correct

bitch's______________bitches

ah_________________a

basterds____________bastards

stupied_____________stupid

You said some one, in this case it should be one word, like this, someone

If you need any more remedial english help, don't feel ashamed to let me know.  :lol:

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« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2004, 09:52:32 PM »
Give him a break.

If he was smart, he would own a Busa.  :lol:
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« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2004, 12:23:37 AM »
You have to give the kid a little bit of credit, at least he didn't say that ZX-12s were making us assholes look stupied.  :roll:

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« Reply #88 on: August 06, 2004, 07:41:02 AM »
Yeah cut the poor little cumgobbler a break, he comes to this website because he knows which bike he should have got but didn't.  It is fucking him up inside.

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« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2004, 08:27:32 AM »
There were only 3 zx12's I repeat 3 zx12's at the 9/10's that have raced in all this time.
2 of them went 199mph on built motors and 1 went 196 ported head and degreed cams.
I have did 2 busas that run 201+  and 200+ mph in 9/10's with my ported
heads and yosh cams only.
built busas running 200-212mph
Most zx12 riders are just talkers, not all but most, i would say 1 out of 20
would stand up to the plate.
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« Reply #90 on: August 06, 2004, 12:11:09 PM »
here we go again , read a mag that says the busa is the fastest thing out there and 250,000 people go and buy one. well what a bunch of POSERS ,get a life ride something no one has or at least when you go riding there isnt 200 of them in a parking lot ,im glad i bought a zx10 not some dam suzuki , i might just trade my harley in on another one,
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« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2004, 12:59:15 PM »
Quote from: BADZX10R
here we go again , read a mag that says the busa is the fastest thing out there and 250,000 people go and buy one. well what a bunch of POSERS ,get a life ride something no one has or at least when you go riding there isnt 200 of them in a parking lot ,im glad i bought a zx10 not some dam suzuki , i might just trade my harley in on another one,


Will someone please bring their fast ZX to the track in Sacto.

Go to www.SacramentoRaceway.com & race APE 60" west,

cause right now only the Hayabusas are fast at 60 inches.

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« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2004, 01:15:47 PM »
To each his or her own bikes are fast as hell.  However I love my Busa. No question asked.
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« Reply #93 on: August 06, 2004, 04:58:06 PM »
I just posted this on another board, but looks like it would fit in right here:

A friend of mine bought a nice new red ZX12R (2002), and we switched rides (2000 busa) for about ten miles of medium twisties.

The first impression was best expressed a year or two back in a British mag which said something like 'climbing off the busa and onto the ZX12 is like climbing off a 160 horsepower salmon and climbing onto a 160 horsepower giraffe.'  The seating position is upright, your chest is fully in the wind, and you've got a little more legroom.  The seat seemed functional but not for all day, and the suspension may have needed a bit of fine tuning as I wasn't happy with the road feel.  But there's no doubt it worked at sucking up corner bumps.  Both bikes look very good from behind when a fast road gets lumpy.

We both had the same initial reaction to the other's bike which was 'my god, this thing doesn't turn!'  You'd get a feel for it pretty quick, and it turned fine, but that initial impression was of a countersteer only and all the time machine.  I'm thinking the technology behind head bearings has improved a lot and given us these fast new bikes with very steep head angles and very rigid frames.  You learn to balance the bike and countersteer, and after a while you're used to it, but that first ride is different from old school bikes.

I've been reading up on sailboat design, and you quickly learn that changing any parameter gives and takes away any specific performance characteristic in an inverse relationship (for example, mast height changes speed and stability - more of one, less of the other).  The 12 couldn't have felt more different than the busa.  But it wasn't better or worse, just different.  In mid corner, the shorter wheelbase was a big help and I think the 12 has a more rigid frame, and you didn't have to make adjustments the way I do on my busa in any turn under 25mph.  In fairness, my busa's been down a few times and may not be as tight as a stock unit.  The busa definitely feels like it has a lower CG, and in avaition terms feels like it would do a faster, easier pin roll.  Edge to the busa for rapid turn transitions.  Edge to the 12 in mid corner (much less yaw inertia, and shorter wheelbase [2 inches] means less lean for same speed).

The 12's engine, and I can't believe I'm saying this about 164 horses, didn't impress me.  I think the old truism that no rider getting a new motorcycle goes down in displacement holds true here.  I'm just used to 100 pounds of torque, and there's no replacement for displacement.  I'm sure with an aftermarket pipe the 12 would breathe a little easier, and it did the job just fine, but I wasn't scared of the engine at all.  I'll take the busa engine any day.

And I like being down in the busa, stretched forward just enough that my arms and chest are part of the slipstream.  It works, at least for me.  The 12 had the best brakes I've ever felt.  I don't like steel braided lines as they don't have enough give for my taste.  But instant feel is good.  The 12's were perfect.  Mine work fine on the busa, but now I want to replace my three year old lines or at least bleed them a bit.

My friend didn't like the way the 12 stood up in corners under braking, and blames the profile of his front Dunlop 208.  I think it's just the frame geometry of the bike.  Wasn't a big problem for me while riding it.  He's happy with it, rips off high first gear wheelies every chance he gets, but has to stop and rest his bony ass every hour or so.  I'm good all day on the busa seat.  I think the 12 would make a perfectly good sport tourer, but I'll stick with my ride as I still think of it as the perfect motorcycle (well, I would make some cosmetic changes if I could, but functionally, it's perfect).

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« Reply #94 on: August 07, 2004, 02:38:21 PM »
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The ONLY view you bastards will ever see of a 12...





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« Reply #95 on: August 07, 2004, 07:10:58 PM »
You know, actually, I honestly didn't know what the back end of a '12 looked like! They look pretty nice!  :P

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« Reply #96 on: August 08, 2004, 12:51:54 PM »
Went to the street races last night, and there is a newbie there on
a ZX12 he said he has a 40 shot on it well he first runs a gsxr1000
the guy gave up did not finish the race, said the 1000 was too far
ahead then he runs one of my friends/customers busa with yosh, and
ported head my customer wieghts 192# he went 198.5 MPH he kills
this guy by 7-8 bikes.
Then my buddy ask's him if he would like to beat up on a
1000 to get him to race, the guy on the 12 said he is out of NOS,
that he used it all up trying to catch the busa, and my buddy said good lets race, the 12 guy got spanked again, evryone looking at his crew shaking their heads, and his crew shruging their shoulders, it was funny.
after that race the zx12 guy said he was undefeated untill he came out to our street races.
But i always give credit to the guy who try's and for being a good sport
most zx12 guys that ever came out were too chicken to race.
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« Reply #97 on: August 08, 2004, 12:57:43 PM »
Stories and posts like these make it that much more fun for me and my 12  :D

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« Reply #98 on: August 08, 2004, 01:33:48 PM »
Me and my brother have owned both bikes. We both sold the 12's because it was to hard to find parts. Busa parts are everywere. They both are great bikes. I think it comes down to riders. The Busas that I could beat on my 12 I can also beat them on my busa and vise versa. :)
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