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Offline rex1300

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« on: August 29, 2004, 04:47:43 PM »
i was looking into getting some drop in cams..maybe webs..I was wondering about any negative feed back. Is this a good idea. I am also getting a pipe and power commander. I heard bad and good things about this set up. Thanks in advance
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Offline Rice Ya

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2004, 10:06:26 AM »
No such thing as drop in cams, you will have to degree them no matter which ones you go with. go with Magacycle, yosh.
Webs i hear are re-grinds.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
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No such thing as drop in cams, you will have to degree them no matter which ones you go with. go with Magacycle, yosh.
Webs i hear are re-grinds.


no such thing as drop in cams?
hmm.
I thought WEBS made drop in cams..?
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2004, 11:18:48 AM »
"Drop-in's" means you don't have to change valve springs or worry about guide clearances. Timing and valve clearances "should be " checked with any cam installed.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2004, 12:33:54 PM »
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"Drop-in's" means you don't have to change valve springs or worry about guide clearances. Timing and valve clearances "should be " checked with any cam installed.


is this bad or good? for the longevity
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2004, 06:40:53 PM »
Found some interesting info:
http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prods89.html

Makes for good reading.




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Producing between 7 and 8 peak True HP over stock cams, with no other changes (even before remapping the stock ECU!). THIS camset in a stock engined bike, when compared to a bike with a ported head and different brand of cams, produced up to 14 to 16 True HP more at 7,000 rpm - with NO LOSS of low-end when FI is properly mapped.
These cams are builtup and reground - allowing more cam lobe profile design flexibility as compared to simple "reground" cams. Unlike simple "reground" cams, adjusting the valves is a minor procedure, requiring minor shim thickness changes.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2004, 08:18:59 PM »
Tommy Deeznuts -- still need to degree them to ge those kinda gains and that means purchasing adjustable sprockets...
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2004, 10:25:39 AM »
Why go through the trouble of buying bigger cams without getting the adj sprockets?  They are only around 130.00 and allow the degreeing for the best performance.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2004, 03:35:40 AM »
Webs are NOT regrinds. You can't do a "regrind" on a bucket type motor as you loose the base circle and can not shim it.

When you buy your Web cams from us along with a set of our adjustable sprockets, we install the sprockets at no charge.
http://www.hayabusazone.com/cams.html

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2004, 11:22:19 AM »
I was not suggesting that you did not need to degree the cam.
THe info I posted was from Megacycle about what they say is their new "drop in regrind"


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No such thing as drop in cams, you will have to degree them no matter which ones you go with. go with Magacycle, yosh.
Webs i hear are re-grinds.




Personally, I would not want a regrind cam anyway. I figure if you already pull the cam chain might as well unbolt the head and change the springs......maybe a port job too.....wheres my wallet......hummmmm
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2004, 11:35:24 PM »
So much information...THANKS

WHAT about longevity, will that be effected?
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2004, 09:23:27 AM »
Some people have used Webs for 2-3 years without issues.  Some less with issues.  If they are good and you change oil and check them every 6 months you should be fine...
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2004, 04:54:10 PM »
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Some people have used Webs for 2-3 years without issues.  Some less with issues.  If they are good and you change oil and check them every 6 months you should be fine...




OK...I do a lot of riding. So CAMS shouldn't be a problem. ??
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2004, 05:36:06 PM »
rex1300- with your set-up i would stick to yosh drop-ins. I gained around 8-9hp with the yoshes. They are proven to be dependable where the webs have NOT! Yosh or megas are fine for riding a lot. :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2004, 06:32:24 PM »
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rex1300- with your set-up i would stick to yosh drop-ins. I gained around 8-9hp with the yoshes. They are proven to be dependable where the webs have NOT! Yosh or megas are fine for riding a lot. :wink:


Ok..maybe I will look in to Yosh, I was thinking WEBS. But I don't want any Problems. Right now my bike is bone STOCK..So I am thinking CAMS, full exhaust (HMF), power commander, and airbox mod.
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Re: Yosh Drop ins
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2004, 09:14:38 PM »
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rex1300- with your set-up i would stick to yosh drop-ins. I gained around 8-9hp with the yoshes. They are proven to be dependable where the webs have NOT! Yosh or megas are fine for riding a lot. :wink:


Ok..maybe I will look in to Yosh, I was thinking WEBS. But I don't want any Problems. Right now my bike is bone STOCK..So I am thinking CAMS, full exhaust (HMF), power commander, and airbox mod.


Call TMH -- he has an HMF hookup and he makes 180hp with this setup...
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Re: Yosh Drop ins
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2004, 10:42:42 PM »
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rex1300- with your set-up i would stick to yosh drop-ins. I gained around 8-9hp with the yoshes. They are proven to be dependable where the webs have NOT! Yosh or megas are fine for riding a lot. :wink:


Ok..maybe I will look in to Yosh, I was thinking WEBS. But I don't want any Problems. Right now my bike is bone STOCK..So I am thinking CAMS, full exhaust (HMF), power commander, and airbox mod.


Call TMH -- he has an HMF hookup and he makes 180hp with this setup...


ARE you serious...180???
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2004, 10:12:15 AM »
Mine should be close to that.  I had 170 before I did the intake/exhaust swap and degreeing.  No airbox mod though...
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2004, 10:52:31 AM »
Rex -- look in the dyno section.  TMH has some info posted...  I made 178 on 2 diffent dyno's with my dual intake cam setup...
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2004, 11:04:19 AM »
i wonder how much it would cost to get a 178hp to the back tire ...HMM

pipe about $800

power commander $300

airbox mod $???

YOSH CAMS $700

LABOR $???
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2004, 01:16:35 PM »
pipe about $800

power commander $280 from www.indysuperbikes.com

custom map $240

airbox mod FREE (search)

bmc race filter $60

intake cam $100

adjustable sprockets $160

LABOR $600 to install and degree cams

There you go...
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2004, 01:54:28 PM »
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pipe about $800

power commander $280 from www.indysuperbikes.com

custom map $240
I didn't know u had to buy a MAP, i thought it came with the power commander

airbox mod FREE (search)

bmc race filter $60

intake cam $100
..U sure on this 100$ for intake cams, i thought around 600$

adjustable sprockets $160

LABOR $600 to install and degree cams

There you go...
...THANKS
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2004, 02:05:18 PM »
i didnt know u needed to buy a map

also i thought intake CAMS cost about 700$
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2004, 02:59:53 PM »
Don't have to buy the map, Just pay the guy for the Dyno time....
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2004, 08:20:00 PM »
Rex -- buy a stock intake cam.  Put it on the exhaust side. Degree them and have it mapped.  I am not even mapped yet making 178...
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