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02SE · « **Reply #50 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:07:35 PM »

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FK, you still here??

Naw, he's gone to replace the clutch in his 12 again. That's the turbo 12 that can even reach 200 mph.

02SE · « **Reply #51 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:11:57 PM »

FK wrote:

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In fact the only ever ECTA certified run by a proven stock bike was done at Maxton where a Muzzy 12R did 192/193 mph.

If you knew your facts, you would know that for that run, they started well behind the official starting line. And so they had a nice run-up to what is the starting line everyone else uses. Not an official run. Sorry.

oilheadron · « **Reply #52 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:13:39 PM »

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In fact the only ever ECTA certified run by a proven stock bike was done at Maxton where a Muzzy 12R did 192/193 mph. It then did 199mph with minor mods. No such run was EVER done with a Busa.

Hmmm...so that's why the '12 is so dominant at Maxton. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a side note (but not trying to convince FK of anything, he's beyond help), when that Muzzy '12 was returned to Cycle World for testing (pretty sure it was CW) they couldn't get it to run nearly that fast FOR SOME STRANGE REASON (or as fast as their bone stock Busa did!!!!!!!!!!). And they published that fact in a followup article in the mag. Which I have.

Documentation man, documents.

oilheadron · « **Reply #53 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:15:35 PM »

I quit (again). It's tiring to drag all this stuff out every time FK tries to mislead a novice. I guess he hopes he'll get some of his wild claims in print as "fact". Who knows.

02SE · « **Reply #54 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:25:20 PM »

Fk here's a bit of info from people in the know.

Pay particular attention to the fastest stock engine Busa Owned by Scott Guthrie.

And to how Muzzy made those runs. They weren't ECTA records, because they started well behind the official starting line.

http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=34534&highlight=fastest+stock+busa+maxton

02SE · « **Reply #55 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:34:07 PM »

FK, read these posts from the link I posted above.

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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 10:18 Post subject:    Reply with quote
Scott your 192+ record at Maxton on the production engine Hayabusa is very impressive. Nobody has been able to touch it, like you said without internal modification. I know that the busa that currently holds the production class record(s) has a larger than stock displacement and significantly more power just running thru stock exhaust so it's not as impressive as your original 192 and change. That's a solid 8 mph than my best on a similarly equipped zx12.
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PostPosted: 13 Oct 2004 14:42 Post subject:    Reply with quote
RAC4IT wrote:
Scott your 192+ record at Maxton on the production engine Hayabusa is very impressive. Nobody has been able to touch it, like you said without internal modification. I know that the busa that currently holds the production class record(s) has a larger than stock displacement and significantly more power just running thru stock exhaust so it's not as impressive as your original 192 and change. That's a solid 8 mph than my best on a similarly equipped zx12.

10 MPH Faster than me on my 12.
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PostPosted: 14 Oct 2004 05:32 Post subject:    Reply with quote
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10 MPH Faster than me on my 12.

And your bike has a pipe and tuning and 175+ rwhp! Scotts Busa was showroom stock through stock exhaust. That's why I think that's one of the most impressive records set.

02SE · « **Reply #56 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:42:42 PM »

FK, read this post in particular. If the ECTA did give them a certificate, it wouldn't be comparable to anyone elses runs, because they ran on a much longer course.

If you'll read, it was estimated the Muzzy ZX-12 was already doing close to 100 mph, when it crossed the official starting line EVERYONE ELSE uses.

It may have gone that fast there, but it's not an official speed comparable to any other run over the Maxton course.

Sorry, that's the reality. I really hate to burst the 12 owners bubble.

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I too have looked at and spoken to Doug about the 199+ at Maxton. They actually started on the taxiway to the right of the Grid and made a left turn at about 30 to 40 Mph (As fast as he could without tuching the front end) and ran through the staging area across the Start line (I do not know the speed there but I would think that by then they would have at least 80 to 100 mph in hand) and on to the regular course where the finish line was pushed back about 1/2 the distance to the 1st turn out. They and I believe that the bike would have gone over 100 if the temp had been less than the 97 to 99 degrees it was on that day.

How they did it does not matter because the "only" thing they were testing was "Top SPeed" on an "Internally Stock) 2000 Kawasaki ZX12R

oilheadron · « **Reply #57 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:44:06 PM »

FK, think yourself. The math is easy.

Busa = a total and ongoing rewrite of all the relevant recordbooks at recognized speed venues all over the planet. That's ONGOING, as in, NOW, as in, CURRENT, as in, both of these bikes have been out for YEARS, and yet:

ZX-12 = not.

02SE · « **Reply #58 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:49:26 PM »

FK wrote:

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The Muzzy 192 run was stock everything.

And it ran on a much longer course.

Which means it can't be compared to any other run ever made at Maxton.

oilheadron · « **Reply #59 on:** January 04, 2005, 01:54:53 PM »

AND, the Muzzy '12 wasn't even production line stock!!! Muzzy went into the motor and did what amounts to an AMA Superstock/Supersport-type blueprint (presumably without optimizing anything beyond production tolerances). Personally, I wouldn't presume that myself.

All in print for everybody to see. Doug even discussed it personally on Labusas way back when.

oilheadron · « **Reply #60 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:02:37 PM »

Here we go again!

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In the main top speed races over here in the UK, the top three best speeds ever at Elvington, the No 1 venue for top speed racing and at Woodbridge, where 200mph.org hold their races, are all held by 12Rs.

Pure baloney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're just hoping that somebody who also races there, like Pooh for example, isn't on the board at the moment to tell you how full of shit you are.

YOU LOST THE BUSA-'12 SHOWDOWN. EVERY CLASS!! COMPLETELY!!! REMEMBER?? CAN YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING??

oilheadron · « **Reply #61 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:22:11 PM »

FK,

YOU are a blatant lie. Your entire drunk Scottish body and soul is a big lie!!!

02SE · « **Reply #62 on:** January 04, 2005, 02:24:52 PM »

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ECTA certified it's true top speed and the bike was stripped down and checked that it was utterly stock in EVERY way, not like Scott Guthrie's.

Kind of makes you wonder what kind of speeds Scott's showroom stock engined Busa could run on an extended course like Muzzy used.

I also wonder how much better his bike would have run if it had the benefit, of being torn down, and all parts optimized, but kept otherwise stock, like Muzzy's.

dcnblues · « **Reply #63 on:** January 04, 2005, 03:31:47 PM »

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In fact the only ever ECTA certified run by a proven stock bike was done at Maxton where a Muzzy 12R did 192/193 mph.
FK

Wow. I didn't know you could use Muzzy and stock in the same sentence. Cool.

THE ICE MAN · « **Reply #64 on:** January 04, 2005, 03:57:41 PM »

Most Busas 196.? and some will run 197.?? with stock gearing
depends on the ecu and position of sensors.

Revalot # 1 · « **Reply #65 on:** January 04, 2005, 04:46:11 PM »

Maybe the ZX12,s Just need the right oil level and then they can outrun a busa

Got-Busa? · « **Reply #66 on:** January 04, 2005, 05:45:21 PM »

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In the main top speed races over here in the UK, the top three best speeds for bone stock bikes ever at Elvington, the No 1 venue for top speed racing and at Woodbridge, where 200mph.org hold their races, are all held by 12Rs. If this is indicative then so be it but no-one can say in stock form the Busa is truly faster than the 12. No way.

I think he has been reading to many Fastbike-magazine articles! They seem to swing from the ZX-12's nuts a lot!

Oh...and a Busa in stock form is truly faster than the 12!

oilheadron · « **Reply #67 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:07:13 PM »

I think he's been sniffing too much glue.

joea · « **Reply #68 on:** January 04, 2005, 06:24:21 PM »

its true the Meyer riddern zx12 ran over 192-193 stock,
and certified at that speed at Maxton...........yet folks
here are still daft enough to really think that its not a
tossup between the 12r and the busa...........then argue
about course length.......

get real.............they both show up all the time at Bonneville........
and its ALWAYS a tossup.........and they usually always run mid 180's to
right around 190............but those are facts.........

Joe

02SE · « **Reply #69 on:** January 04, 2005, 07:08:01 PM »

Joe, you're putting a damper on our fun with FK.

oilheadron · « **Reply #70 on:** January 04, 2005, 07:16:43 PM »

The bikes are NOT a tossup on pavement. The Busa comes out ahead time and time again. Not every time, but most of the time. Who knows, the '12 might be a little faster in a swamp or from one end of a beach to the other, but who gives a shit about that.

Got-Busa? · « **Reply #71 on:** January 04, 2005, 08:34:26 PM »

Fearsome,

I guess you should write all these magazines that did back to back testing with the Hayabusa -vs- ZX-12R and tell them they are wrong.

http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/testdata.html

For the lazy ones:

CYCLEWORLD [June 2000]

Top Speeds

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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 191 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 187 mph

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R 9.86 sec @ 145.80 mph [Performed by CycleWorld magazine rider]
Kawasaki ZX-12R 10.06 sec @ 142 mph [Performed by Ricky Gadson - Top Kawasaki Pro Drag racer]

PERFORMANCE BIKES [June 2000]

Top Speeds
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 190.3 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 188.9 mph

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R 10.3s @ 143.9
Kawasaki ZX-12R 10.4s @ 146.3

SPORTBIKE MAGAZINE [June 2000]

Top Speeds
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 191 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 187 mph

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R 9.93 sec @ 143.4 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 10.04 sec @ 143.8 mph

MOTORCYCLIST MAGAZINE [June 2000]

Top Speeds
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 184.2 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 183 mph
[Elevation 2400 feet above sea level]

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R 9.86 sec @ ~ 140.3 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 9.96 sec @ 142.3 mph

BIKENET Online

Top Speeds
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 196 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 194 mph

Quarter Mile - NA

BIKE MAGAZINE - UK [May 2000]

Top Speeds
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 189 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 180 mph

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R 10.31 sec
Kawasaki ZX-12R 10.04 sec

AMCN - AUSTRALIAN MOTORCYCLE NEWS May 2000

Top speed.
Hayabusa = 302 kph
Zx-12R = 297 kph

400m (1/4 mile).
Hayabusa = 10.5 sec.
Zx12R = 10.7 sec.

400m top speed.
Hayabusa = 228.2km/h.
Zx12R = 223km/h.

0-100km/h.
Hayabusa = 3.17 sec
Zx12R = 3.49 sec

0-160km/h (0-100mph).
Hayabusa = 5.7 sec.
Zx12 = 6.02 sec.

20-180kmh.
Hayabusa = 6.17 seconds
Zx12 = 6.43 seconds

BIKE MAGAZINE - Sweden [Not Bike mag from the UK]

Top speed
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Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa - 297.8 km/hr
Kawasaki ZX-12R - 293.7 km/hr

Quarter Mile
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Suzuki GSX1300R HayaBusa - 10.32 sec @ 222.6 km/hr
Kawasaki ZX-12R - 10.50 sec @ 225.5 km/hr

SUPERWHEELS Magazine [Italy]

Suzuki GSX1300R HayaBusa - 191.6 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R 190.4 mph

MCN [Motorcycle News UK] March 2000

Suzuki GSX1300R HayaBusa - 189 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R - 182 mph

SUPERBIKE MAGAZINE August 2002

1/4 mile head to head

Suzuki GSX1300 R - 10.18 sec @ 136 mph

Kawasaki ZX-12R - 10.31 sec @ 137 mph

Top Speeds - NA/not tested/bikes restricted

SportRider Magazine October 2001

Restricted 2001 models are de-restricted

Title: Big Dogs

Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa
Power : 158.0hp @ 9750 rpm
Torque : 98.4lb @ 7000 rpm

Kawasaki ZX-12R
Power : 159.8hp @ 10250 rpm
Torque : 91.4lb @ 7750 rpm

Top Speeds:

Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa : 192.4 mph
Kawasaki ZX-12R : 190.2 mph

SuperBike Magazine June 2000

Quarter Mile Runs

ZX-12R______________ Hayabusa
Run1 10.31 @ 142-----10.05 @ 142 mph
Run2 10.21 @ 144-----10.07 @ 147
Run3 10.28 @ 143 ---------- na

Top Speeds

ZX-12R______Hayabusa [stock aerodynamic piece removed, semi-tuck only]
Run1: 184---------180
Run2 188--------- 183
Run3 183 ---------184

MotorCyclist Magazine Aug 2003

Title: Grudge Match - America's quickest street bikes.

Multiple quarter mile runs head to head on new 2003 models

Both bikes stock:

Hayabusa best of multiple runs:

9.88 sec @ 143.88 mph

ZX-12 best of multiple runs:

9.92 sec @ 143.74 mph

All times NON corrected.

Typical head to head dyno chart comparison between the ZX-12R and the

Hayabusa. Even though the 12 makes more peak HP (eventually), the Busa

makes more HP all the way up past 9000 rpm and the monster torque curve of

the Busa is unmatched! These factors combined with superior aerodynamics -

proven and documented in wind tunnel comparison tests - helps gives the

Busa the winning edge.

Special thanks to James Speirs aka FK in the UK for helping out on the test data.

Got-Busa? · « **Reply #72 on:** January 04, 2005, 08:40:19 PM »

Out of 14 different tests only one had the ZX-12R quicker in the 1/4-mile and only one had it faster TOP SPEED and that was because of NO rear hump on the Busa hurting the AERO!

Of course the ZX-12R is faster, Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

oilheadron · « **Reply #73 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:36:12 PM »

I just can't understand how a thinking individual could determine from the FACTS that the '12 is as fast as the Busa, much less faster. Like I said before, if anybody had claimed that the GSXR1100 was as fast as the ZX-11 back in the 1990s, they wouldn't have been any sillier than the '12 cheerleaders are now. But you didn't see that. I was on '11 boards all the time (had two new ones) and you just didn't see it.

joea · « **Reply #74 on:** January 04, 2005, 09:59:42 PM »

its just funny to me...........most head to head tests have
them within 2 mph of each other, and in fact a zx12 faster than
the busa in at least one head to head...........its pretty much a tossup...

Hank when you ran your stock busa's and zx12 what did you find
in "real world"...........??????? (and how does your new zx10 fair
on the top end to your stock busa numbers??)

Joe

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