Smooth progressive system - tomorrows nitrous technology

[Noswizard]

If you're one of the few guys who realise pulsing solenoids is not the best way to deliver progressive amounts of nitrous and also realise what is needed is a smoothly progressive delivery, then you'll be interested in this thread.

http://www.200mph.net/smf/index.php?topic=23598.0

Regards

[Noswizard]

It's best to log on to the board and get the full story as there's also a link to a Demo on the thread.

Anyone who's interested in my existing systems or my impending smooth system and who lives in the USA, should speak to Joe.

We're going to do a bike demo of the new system in dry form on a Busa within a few weeks, so watch out for more info on that.

Regards

[A&J Performance]

Thanks Trevor!

[hawkwind]

sounds interesting (though the 200 mph org has cut back on what I can access because I rarely post there so I have no Idea what your system comprises of ?) I am purely a DIY backyarder ,my combined staged /progressive set up is not a bad facsimily of a smooth progressive system though it is rather complex , I have also played /expiremented  with other ideas ,based around a second injector (EFI) as the fuel enrichment sourse and a direct port nitrous injection normal fogger nozzel and looking at " variable" jets for nitrous (direct port injection ) that would also be sequensial ( sp ) with a second EFI injector for fuel  ( smooth progression and a controll over the A/F ratio ?? but what the fuck Im only a dumb arse hillbilly with a kindergarten education  
I checked out your site (wizard of nos ) plenty of sales propaganda , but no independant verification ( scientific method ) of your claims ?
your products on face value appear to be quality items and well made with some smart solutions ,but your prices  are way out of my budget   which is further compounded with the exchange rate .
this is purely my own view and hopefully no offence is taken
Hawkwind

[Noswizard]

Hawkwind,

If you ever manage to get a nitrous solenoid to pulse at a high enough frequency for sequential injection, I'll eat a set of my Pulsoids!!!  LOL LOL

You need them to work at approx. 100 Hz yet there isn't a standard solenoid that will manage even 30 Hz. We've got a Pulsoid up to 60 Hz and we've a design that will exceed 100 but I'll be very surprised (and interested) if you manage to find any other solenoid out there that even gets near the 100 mark.

Yes I know price is a killer but my products aren't made on automated assembly lines like the rest, each one is CNC machined, hand assembles & tested.

With regard to independent information, my board is full of independent information, sadly the original board (which had unlimited amounts of nitrous info) has been damaged and will be off line for a while getting it sorted but the new one is gaining in strength every day.
If you think you can find another more independent manufacturers board elsewhere, I'd be interested in the details so I can have a look.
I don't do numbers, just practical results, what works on paper seldom works the same in the real world.

No offence taken, none intended!  

By the way, like the name, like the group, love the music.

Regards

[dakinebusa]

What's with this pulsing solenoid stuff?
Every control loop in every chemical plant I have every been associated with uses feedbback control and needle or ball type control valves.
Cost, I suppose but I'm just asking.
Mass flow meters are getting cheaper.......

[Anonymous]

Hawkwind,
 

By the way, like the name, like the group, love the music.

Regards

 
Cricky sport I may just have to purchase a set of those bloody pulsoids ,for the mere fact that you are the FIRST person on any board who knows who and what "Hawkwind " is   and Hawkwinds  moto  "In search of speed "
Gary (hawkwind racing )  

[Noswizard]

Hawkwind,

Sounds as good a reason as any to buy them!!!!   LOL LOL LOL

Regards



Industrial components are seldom
a) suitable for use on a vehicle (due to size & operating voltage)
b) cheap enough for anything other than industrial use

Regards

Trev

[Noswizard]

Here is a link for the video of the smoooooth system being tested on a Busa on a dyno.

Your comments are invited.

Regards

[nemsis]

can't you just post the stuff here

[Noswizard]

Here are the links, but for a better understanding of the graphs etc. you'd be better reading the original thread I posted as there's plenty of discussion to go with it.

The link for the video clip is over 7MB so it may be better to download to your computer.

http://www.steaknbj.com/racetested/videos/SmoothDemo14-03-05.wmv


Dyno graph images showing evidence of the fluctuation of power being delivered.

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/7991/trev14xx.jpg

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/4741/trev20gr.jpg

http://i149.exs.cx/img149/5513/trev33ud.jpg

Regards

[Noswizard]

That's the best bit about this system you can concentrate on hanging on to the bike will your crew man controls the nitrous from the start line!!!   LOL LOL LOL

Seriously, the demo was to be done using a laptop to control it but the interface had a problem so I had to use my back up option.

However the end product will have a control system like our current Maximiser with all the associated features (plus a few more), to give the rider TOTAL control of how much, when and how fast the nitrous is delivered smooooooothly, across all cylinders and all cycles, rather than dumping big shots down the neck of some cylinders on some cycles and nothing for the others, as happens with current pulsed systems.

Glad you liked it.

Regards

[A&J Performance]

Boy,
Can't wait to get my hands on one.
woohoo!
 

[Noswizard]

Please check out all appropriate links to threads for updates

The GENUINE Street legal Busa has just run 8.84 using the Smooooth system, with at least an 8.6 in reserve had there been more track time and that's without increasing the power from the system which could have given even better results.  

Regards

[b l u e b u s a 1]

so has any one in the U.S used this new technology???????????????????

[2fast4u2c]

sounds interesting (though the 200 mph org has cut back on what I can access because I rarely post there so I have no Idea what your system comprises of ?) I am purely a DIY backyarder ,my combined staged /progressive set up is not a bad facsimily of a smooth progressive system though it is rather complex , I have also played /expiremented  with other ideas ,based around a second injector (EFI) as the fuel enrichment sourse and a direct port nitrous injection normal fogger nozzel and looking at " variable" jets for nitrous (direct port injection ) that would also be sequensial ( sp ) with a second EFI injector for fuel  ( smooth progression and a controll over the A/F ratio ?? but what the fuck Im only a dumb arse hillbilly with a kindergarten education  
I checked out your site (wizard of nos ) plenty of sales propaganda , but no independant verification ( scientific method ) of your claims ?
your products on face value appear to be quality items and well made with some smart solutions ,but your prices  are way out of my budget   which is further compounded with the exchange rate .
this is purely my own view and hopefully no offence is taken
Hawkwind

Hawk ,  How can you say you can't afford them??  I gave you a complete set of them last year when Noonan came down under.  you still haven't paid me my $2.00 I charged.

Here was Trev's latest post:
So much for a technical section then!!!

Thought you had a pub section for this kind of garbage!!!


Steve,

you hit the nail on the head and it's now 'obvious' that nobody here (from the NOS supporters club) has the slightest understanding of how nitrous works, they just sling it on and engage drive.
Have you also noticed that the only other technical posts, have been from people using my products?

Regards


To the rest of you,

That about sums up the situation, my systems are the "thinking mans choice" and I'm very happy that's how it is because I get to deal with sensible people and talk about technical subjects, rather than the likes of the decenters like Paso on here about pub crap.
Like I said I don't give a rats ass if everyone who currently uses a NOS kit stays that way, it'll make it easier for my customers to win. The ONLY NOS customer I'd like to have using my stuff is Ken Cooper, as it's been a long term, personal challenge for me to convert him. LOL LOL
Now Ken is a thinker and he's been on the brink of using my products for a few years now, so I'm sure I'll get him one day (probably once the smooth system is in production).
I'm happy to discuss any technical points in a respecful and reasonable manner (unlike the majority of people posting here) but it's obvious that some people can't leave me to do that with any other like minded persons.
In my first response to Rich I said I wouldn't get involved in this kind of garbage but I've managed to spend far too much time here as it is.

I'd like to thank all the guys who use my systems for so doing, I'd like to thank all those who have appreciated my efforts on this board and I'd like to thank all those who have supported me here.

However since I've got much better things to be doing with my time than dealing with the kind of trash that's poluted this thread, from now on if anyone wants to carry on any of this discussion with me, my board address is http://www.noswizard.com/bboard/
Everyone is welcome there (even NOS supporters), as long as they stick to facts and show respect for everyone on the board. We don't have a pub section and we don't allow school ground antics, we delete any offensive posts and ban anyone as soon as they start spouting shit.
That's the way my customers like it and it ensures that the board deals with facts only and isn't filled with the kind of crap posted here by the decenters.

My final point just to make it clear is, that I don't give a rats ass if I've turned any potential customers off buying my products and I certainly don't care if current NOS customers stick to their shit. I don't give a rats ass if the only customers I ever have from here, are those currently using my products, because I've always put QUALITY ABOVE QUANTITY, so I'd rather have one or two customers like El Sparticus & Gwhiz than a hundred like Paso (and his mates). So Paso if that's advertising then you've been doing it wrong all your life!!!!!    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I'll be sending PMs to answer the previous points that I feel warrant an answer

Trev
 
 
 
 
This quote was from the 200mph threads.

I can tell you that Trev is passionate about his products and many of his current customers really like his product.  I tried them and was unable to get a tuneup that I was satisfied with.  I must be one of those he doesn't give a shit about. Since they are very expensive, I gave Hawkwind my set for him to try and get working.  Hawk, I have never heard how they did for you.

Since none of his customers have gone faster than the "Tiger" in the mile, I will have to assume that I either just got lucky with my custom setup, or his customers haven't figured out how to use them yet? I'm not sure.  I'm not dissing his product, I just haven't been convinced that they are all that and a bag of chips.  They seem to be made of the highest professional quality,  but I need a high quantity of power, not high quality of power. I don't mind paying high dollars for power, but they have to deliver.  That's why I didn't charge anything for them when I gave them to Hawkwind.

Guy

[turbo1320]

 

[hawkwind]

Hawk ,  How can you say you can't afford them??  I gave you a complete set of them last year when Noonan came down under.  you still haven't paid me my $2.00 I charged.

Guy That post was made very early in 05 well before you so kindly 'donated your set ' to me and for that Im forever greatfull 

 
 
 
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This quote was from the 200mph threads.

I can tell you that Trev is passionate about his products and many of his current customers really like his product.  I tried them and was unable to get a tuneup that I was satisfied with.  I must be one of those he doesn't give a shit about. Since they are very expensive, I gave Hawkwind my set for him to try and get working.  Hawk, I have never heard how they did for you.


Guy this is where they are now living ,see pic , and as of this date they have not been tried or used ,we only get one speed week per year and and myself being just poor ol white trailer  trash it takes forever(financialy)  to get my projects up and running ,though it will be tried this speed week if I finish on time



my home made junk 
Gary

[turbo1320]

Hey Hawk did you get that set up from GUY???? Did he have the shower heads on the end of the pulsoids   going into those Nozzles??

Where is the jets at? Are they in the puloids???

[2fast4u2c]

Hawk,
Just giving you a ration of Shit.  They look good mounted that way.  But you still owe me $2.00 USD.

My friend Keith Turk is shipping his car down under for that event.  If he gets into your 200mph club, that will give him 5 clubs.

Talk to you soon and don't give away too many of our secrets for nitrous. 

Guy

[pete b]

I hope you have got them jetted at the pulsoid.......works much better ........how come the lines are different lengths I always thought they should be the same length so you get the same delivery to each inlet

[2fast4u2c]

I hope you have got them jetted at the pulsoid.......works much better ........how come the lines are different lengths I always thought they should be the same length so you get the same delivery to each inlet

With over 900lbs of pressure behind them, a few inches of line difference makes no difference.

[hawkwind]

I hope you have got them jetted at the pulsoid.......works much better ........how come the lines are different lengths I always thought they should be the same length so you get the same delivery to each inlet

Yes they are jetted at the pulsoids  (125 shot) line lengths are so I can fit everything into a very small space  see below




Cheers
Gary

[turbo1320]

Hell the way you set that system up there GUY you might as well bought a NX kit. No wonder you didnt think much about the puloids you turned it into a 1980s Nitrous Kit,What was your fuel pressure 6psi???????????????????

[pete b]

I hope you have got them jetted at the pulsoid.......works much better ........how come the lines are different lengths I always thought they should be the same length so you get the same delivery to each inlet

With over 900lbs of pressure behind them, a few inches of line difference makes no difference.

But the gas isn't 900psi    well I hope it isn't........so the nitrous hits the inlet first at  different times and the gas follows.....sounds like a leanout time to me

And gas eats things very quickly ...................

[2fast4u2c]

Hell the way you set that system up there GUY you might as well bought a NX kit. No wonder you didnt think much about the puloids you turned it into a 1980s Nitrous Kit,What was your fuel pressure 6psi???????????????????

I didn't set that system up, hawkwind takes all the credit.  I just supplied the pulesoids. Tough to drive to Austrailia where Hawk lives.

And I don't see any pulseoid system going faster than me... do you?

[turbo1320]

I know I make more power than that Tiger Turd of yours, AND It takes more than some solenoids to make a system but you wouldnt know that because you dont work on your own bike!!!

Any time you want to bring that Tiger turd to the track to run some OUTLAW just put a slick on it and bring it out

Burt

[2fast4u2c]

I know I make more power than that Tiger Turd of yours, AND It takes more than some solenoids to make a system but you wouldnt know that because you dont work on your own bike!!!

Any time you want to bring that Tiger turd to the track to run some OUTLAW just put a slick on it and bring it out

Burt

Your a funny guy.  No, I go fast because I don't work on it (thank goodness).  I have mine professionally worked on by Mike Caputo.  I have no idea how it would run in the outlaw classes nor would I speculate.  But as far as MPH in 1 miile is concerned it is tuned very well.  This next season we plan to take it up a notch and try for the 240 mark.  As you are well aware, it takes more than a Drag Race tuneup to run Nitrous for over 18 seconds.  But I'm sure you already knew that.  My short time sucks, but I can twist the throttle and hang on.  When you think you can do the same, I'll see you at the mile since you make more power than me.

Guy

[pete b]

Forgive my ignorance :?If you run your bike over a mile isn't 18 seconds a long time.........I only ever run 1/4s ..I did run over a kilometre once and I'm sure that was around 18 or 19 secs and that was on a stock gixer 1100....I know a  kilometre is a bit shorter than a mile, but I only had  130bhp and I hit the limiter in top gear before the finish

[2fast4u2c]

excellent question.  The time is started when the tower clears you to run and stops when you cross the finish line.  I'm on the juice from the get go with a small progressive and the last qtr mile takes only a few seconds.  Getting up to speed takes time and it's for a mile.  It also takes a couple seconds to start once the starter gives you the OK.  There is NO timing light to start you.  Some people take 30 seconds to get  down track, but they sit on the starting line saying their last prayer then they go.  It's different for everyone.
But we measure the last 132feet of your run with the lasers which gives you your mph time no matter how long it takes you to go down track.

[turbo1320]

I know I make more power than that Tiger Turd of yours, AND It takes more than some solenoids to make a system but you wouldnt know that because you dont work on your own bike!!!

Any time you want to bring that Tiger turd to the track to run some OUTLAW just put a slick on it and bring it out

Burt

Your a funny guy.  No, I go fast because I don't work on it (thank goodness).  I have mine professionally worked on by Mike Caputo.  I have no idea how it would run in the outlaw classes nor would I speculate.  But as far as MPH in 1 miile is concerned it is tuned very well.  This next season we plan to take it up a notch and try for the 240 mark.  As you are well aware, it takes more than a Drag Race tuneup to run Nitrous for over 18 seconds.  But I'm sure you already knew that.  My short time sucks, but I can twist the throttle and hang on.  When you think you can do the same, I'll see you at the mile since you make more power than me.

Guy

Hell I dont need to go to Texas to run my bike for a Mile I just head for the Highway and hold it open as long as I want!!!

Im sure there are a few of us in this world that work and build Bikes that if it was that big of deal to run a Nitrous Bike in Texas for one mile we would smash your MPH and you know it!!!
The truth of the story is Nobody realy cares and its not a Money maker and not to many people watch that kind of racing.

You beat your chest on what you have done and realy who did you beat ??? Any body we would all know??????
Who is the Best Nitrous Tunner that you raced against and Beat???????

[2fast4u2c]

Turbo 1320, who are you?  Why are you so angry? and why do you feel the need to be so repugnent?  I'm sure you have friends, to what end do you try to incite hate here?
You don't know me, you don't know anything about my program, you have this need to be heard so that people think you are somebody?  I'm sorry for you and hope that you find your way in life.

Guy

[crazybill]

I just run a -4 hose from the bottle to the airbox and turn the valve on once i get moving 

[turbo1320]

Turbo 1320, who are you?  Why are you so angry? and why do you feel the need to be so repugnent?  I'm sure you have friends, to what end do you try to incite hate here?
You don't know me, you don't know anything about my program, you have this need to be heard so that people think you are somebody?  I'm sorry for you and hope that you find your way in life.

Guy

Im NOT Mad there Guy its just that you posted on something you dont know anything about !!!!!!

You take a part like the (Pulsoid) and call it a system???? NICE!!!!

We all know you dont build bikes or Nitrous systems!!!

We look at you as the Fender Dude

Keep up the good work and someday you will beat someone that we all know!

Burt

[turbo1320]

I just run a -4 hose from the bottle to the airbox and turn the valve on once i get moving 

Now we know how you guys are doing it over there???

Bill is that called THE BIG SHOT???

[2fast4u2c]

Keep up the good work and someday you will beat someone that we all know!

Burt

It's a shame you don't know anyone.  That must make you lonely.  Someday when you grow up, maybe someone will be your friend.

Burt needs a friend, does anyone want to be Burts friend? 

[narider]

I only obtain friends for their status or the people they know Guy... so he's of course no use to me. 
Did your Tiger leave a turd on his lawn and him find it on his doorstep in a popcorn bag or something?
Some very irritable people in these parts... not like them laidback lsr racers or nice harley guys, funny how the world changes over time.
"Harley, it's a way of life(midlife for most)"
"Yamaha, when it's all you can afford"
"You meet the nicest people on a Honda(and yes we still sell bikes)"
"Buell, when you have no idea what the hell you want"
"Suzuki, when your ego has nowhere else to go"
Todd

[turbo1320]

Keep up the good work and someday you will beat someone that we all know!

Burt

It's a shame you don't know anyone.  That must make you lonely.  Someday when you grow up, maybe someone will be your friend.

Burt needs a friend, does anyone want to be Burts friend? 

Dont be mad there Fender man some day you will be someone
Learn about Nitrous before you talk about it there CHAMP!!

And maybe you will get a friend

[GSXRTURBO1]

You're a real class act there 1320, I'm sure that's going to help sell a lot of parts 

[Pete]

sounds interesting (though the 200 mph org has cut back on what I can access because I rarely post there so I have no Idea what your system comprises of ?)

Hey Gary just to clarify you have 100% full access to all the technical forums. The reason you can't find details on Trev's smooth system is that he hasn't published them anywhere on 200, or anywhere else that I know of. You certainly haven't had any rights restricted buddy.