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Offline jorma

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Max HP for all motor 1300?
« on: July 07, 2005, 09:01:04 PM »
If money were not a consideration (within reason, no billet cranks or ceramic rods), how much HP could a stock displacement crank out and what would you do to get there?  Port, titanium valves, big C/R, dry sump, Motec ECU, big cam numbers....if you're going to dream - dream big!
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Offline Paul Flis

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2005, 09:14:38 PM »
210-220 Head Work, Cams, Compression, Fuel, and $ is all it takes.  Oh and someone to put all that together and be able to back up the claims (priceless!)
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2005, 10:02:52 PM »
yep but it wouldn't last
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 06:18:03 AM »
In my little world constrained by reality, it's hard to get much more than low 190's out of a 1300 without resorting to dyno and fuel tricks. I should add, though, that is based upon testing around 1000 ft above sea level. This is mentioned because I do not believe correction factors correctly explain engine results particularly when elevation differences is a variable.
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Offline jorma

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1300 max power
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2005, 10:13:20 AM »
Johnnnycheese,
What do you think would fail or be the weak link?
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Offline mike45

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2005, 12:45:40 PM »
Probably your wallet. :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 01:28:16 PM »
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: 1300 max power
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 01:58:10 PM »
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Johnnnycheese,
What do you think would fail or be the weak link?


Testing it in public on an honest dyno. :wink:
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2005, 02:14:48 PM »
With a good exhaust, cams, filter, box mod, stacks, powe commander and a good map you can get mid 170's to low 180's.  With some race gas I would guess around low to upper 180's, with head work maybe low 190's.  I'm no expert though, just taking a guess.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 05:25:56 PM »
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Johnnnycheese,
What do you think would fail or be the weak link?


Testing it in public on an honest dyno. :wink:
Nice! :lmao:
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Offline mike45

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2005, 07:01:01 PM »
Jorma

No disrepect intended.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2005, 07:12:27 PM »
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Jorma

No disrepect intended.


Ditto.........I could not resist.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2005, 11:23:54 PM »
Dyno claims--- priceless DF
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2005, 12:07:54 AM »
Ceramic rods...??

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PS, low budget 1347cc made 199hp on Cali pump gas and 205 with non ox fuel..
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 08:32:52 AM »
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With a good exhaust, cams, filter, box mod, stacks, powe commander and a good map you can get mid 170's to low 180's.  With some race gas I would guess around low to upper 180's, with head work maybe low 190's.  I'm no expert though, just taking a guess.

Got a buddy with an 01, Yosh pipe, Yosh cam on intake, stock intake on the exhaust, small box with all shorts, fresh valve job w/ no port work, stock block piston never been out w/ 16000 miles, 179hp @ 99 ftlbs.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2005, 08:45:54 AM »
My bike with BDE Gen III, BMC Race, Small box mod, all shorts, Webb int/exh cams makes 179/103 with no head work on a low dyno.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2005, 10:36:50 PM »
The most I've seen is about 180
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2005, 05:57:33 AM »
Here is a link to old Dragbike.Com article in which Kevin Hunt from KWS is featured putting together a very decent street, stock bore Hayabusa which delivers 186HP.

http://www.dragbike.com/news/04-00/042700a.htm
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2005, 11:07:10 AM »
Here is one that are made by Atom racing in Sweden a few years ago.  Stock bore and a home made exhaust....

http://www.kiruna.se/~mgrape/bighajja1300.htm
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2005, 11:28:56 AM »
the origional post was what if money was no issue. so with that what could one make, not a street motor but a all out stock bore stock stroke motor? does any body know what a competetive 1298 4 valve pro stock motor made before people realized the advantage of a 1500 cc 2 valver?
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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2005, 07:53:50 PM »
Quote from: Yngve
Here is one that are made by Atom racing in Sweden a few years ago.  Stock bore and a home made exhaust....

http://www.kiruna.se/~mgrape/bighajja1300.htm


Wow, "home made" exhaust must of had a Serious "kanooter" valve and DR. Turbo... :D
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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2005, 07:35:27 AM »
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Here is a link to old Dragbike.Com article in which Kevin Hunt from KWS is featured putting together a very decent street, stock bore Hayabusa which delivers 186HP.

http://www.dragbike.com/news/04-00/042700a.htm
The only thing I'd disagree with in the article is you can remove the head and time the cams with the engine in the frame.
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2005, 08:02:31 AM »
Mike, it is interesting that both you and Kevin got 186HP out of very similar set-ups. But you did it with smaller cams which more than likely says something about your heads..........they work.
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2005, 08:04:50 AM »
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Why not explain.
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« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2005, 08:05:33 AM »
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Ceramic rods...??

J

PS, low budget 1347cc made 199hp on Cali pump gas and 205 with non ox fuel..


Probably meant Ceramic Bearings
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