13.5 starting issues...

[gnd111]

I can't find room for a second battey and don't wanna deal with the issue like that anyways.  Can i just put a second base gasket on my bike or maybe some sort of spacer that TMH may sell?

Ideas?

Thanks...

[DaveO]

Gnd,

Put the 2nd batt in and be done with it....Seriously. I don't know why people seem to want to avoid it...but ALL of my customers who had the same opinion as yours...are now wondering why they refused to do it....everything else is a band aid...IMO

Dave

[denise richards]

so you want to lower the CR?
are those starting issues very bad?a buddie plans going 13.5 1397,so he might want to know.

[gnd111]

I can't find room for a second battey and don't wanna deal with the issue like that anyways.  Can i just put a second base gasket on my bike or maybe some sort of spacer that TMH may sell?

Ideas?

Thanks...

you rather pulling your engine apart than adding one more battery?
 just put another battery it will be better & faster like DaveO sugested.

Yes.  I have no room for a second battery.  The motor isn't right anyways - 1397 that runs 123 in the 1/8th but only 147 in the 1/4...

[gnd111]

so you want to lower the CR?
are those starting issues very bad?a buddie plans going 13.5 1397,so he might want to know.

He better find a spot NOW for a second battery...

[denise richards]

haha.that fucking idiot who will build it for him told us,no way its gonna have startup issues.same guy put a full 4in1 and got my friends bike custom mapped and it dynoed exactly the same as it did stock.
thanks for the tip.
is it really THAT bad?is it even possible to fire it up?

[gnd111]

I can't start mine after the temp gauge reaches halfway.

[denise richards]

?the temp gage stys allways a tad under halfway.
you mean,once its warmed up,you cant satrt it anymore?that sucks.

[gnd111]

?the temp gage stys allways a tad under halfway.
you mean,once its warmed up,you cant satrt it anymore?that sucks.

Pretty much and that is even with a YTZ14S battery...

[denise richards]

just start it the way they do it in moto gp .
whats wrong with installing a second battery?

[E-RACER]

What are your cams degreed at??

My 13-1 1397 started decent I had to crack the throttle a little bit but it always started..

Ive seen people put a second battery on the motor near the breather..

Anyone have pics of were to put one?/I also just read a post By Motorhead..it said you could put 2 stock battery side by side in his undertail!!

[busa & 12lover]

YOU NEED A SECOND BATTERY....tiger racing sells a bracket that fits on the right side of the tail section...and also as far as your 1397. I had  the same problem as far as horsepower, thats 1397 needs to breathe, head work may be needed, also a sidewinder, and you cam setup.......

[gnd111]

E- 108 / 109

Busa Lover - i don;t think that will fit with the slammed undertail.

E- i was looking at that last night - i am gonna work on the bike tomorrow and try to rearange some stuff but the 2 in the TMH section did not look like it would fit - i am gonna try it tomorrow..

[THEMOTORHEAD]

E- 108 / 109

Busa Lover - i don;t think that will fit with the slammed undertail.

E- i was looking at that last night - i am gonna work on the bike tomorrow and try to rearange some stuff but the 2 in the TMH section did not look like it would fit - i am gonna try it tomorrow..

DEPENDS IF ITS THE SLAMMED TAIL STARTED BOUT 6 MO AGO
BATTERY BOX WILL BE WAY OVERSIZED SO ITS EASY TO SEE
AND YOULL HAVE TO SHRTEN THE SBDRAM BOLTS TOO
OR JUST BUY 1 BIIG BAT TO TAKE UP ALL THE ROOM
STOCK AND THE ONE SMALL FIT EASILY

[gnd111]

Thanks - i am going to work on my POS tomorrow  need to get the starting issues figured out so i can get it tuned to find out where my back half MPH is.

123 in the 1/8th but only 147 in the 1/4...???

I think some of it is gearing...

[DaveO]

Gnd,

You don't need a big 2nd battery. I use the YTZ7 and put it next to the tail light. End of problem....just charge it every once in a while....put a tender cord on it.

Dave

[gnd111]

I have a Uhaul intergrater there...   Just got to take the tail off i guess and be creative - which i am not...

I appreciate all the help...

[GeorgeC]

AND YOULL HAVE TO SHRTEN THE SBDRAM BOLTS TOO

What's a SBDRAM bolt??? 

[E-RACER]

Im guessing SUBFRAME bolts??

[gnd111]

E - jut put the battery on the motor?  Have to look at that as well...

[busa200]

gnd- how much h.p. is that thing making? i have a 1397 with 13-1 c.r. cams, head work, 203 h.p. and stock battery. no starting issues yet. i hope it stays that away. btw how did those air scoops work for ya?

[gnd111]

gnd- how much h.p. is that thing making? i have a 1397 with 13-1 c.r. cams, head work, 203 h.p. and stock battery. no starting issues yet. i hope it stays that away. btw how did those air scoops work for ya?

Never had it on the dynoe so i do not know.  I haven't installed the scoops yet.  Just did a full box mod so am gonna put the scoops on mow while i am in maintenance mode - i will let you know.  Thanks..

My bike has a bone stock head...  So maybe 195-200 hp?

[J R]

I got the two batterys with 14.2 comp and it works great what little ive ridden it so far.I crack the throttle a1/4 open or so till she fires and it seems to turn over a little better with the throttle cracked.

[E-RACER]

He did just have it laying there on the one I seen in person..But I would make a box to hold it if room alows..

[gazza414]

Some people run the 2nd battery up on the headstock behind the headlight

[gnd111]

Some people run the 2nd battery up on the headstock behind the headlight

Absolute hell trying to get that mess down by the looks of it...

[Jason]

Thanks - i am going to work on my POS tomorrow  need to get the starting issues figured out so i can get it tuned to find out where my back half MPH is.

123 in the 1/8th but only 147 in the 1/4...???

I think some of it is gearing...

well im having the same problem you're have 120 in the 1/8 148 in the 1/4, but we already know that the bikes are not mapped and are running lean. If you're a lil less aggressive off the and  keep that front wheel down, you'll get more mph in the 1/8.

[gnd111]

I am happy with even 122 in the 1/4.  On stock motor i ran 116.  When i went to 2 intake cams i used to go 118.  So a 4mph gain in the 1/8th going to a 1397 makes me happy.

Just don't know where my top end is...

[gnd111]

Besides - i out weigh you by at least 30lbs...

[DarkFalcon]

Thanks - i am going to work on my POS tomorrow  need to get the starting issues figured out so i can get it tuned to find out where my back half MPH is.

123 in the 1/8th but only 147 in the 1/4...???

I think some of it is gearing...

What does your clutch look like........particularly the fibers? And what clutch springs do you have?

[Jason]

I am happy with even 122 in the 1/4.  On stock motor i ran 116.  When i went to 2 intake cams i used to go 118.  So a 4mph gain in the 1/8th going to a 1397 makes me happy.

Just don't know where my top end is...

1397 with the cams you have is breathing that much better, you just need the fuel to go with it! I may be getting mine tuned thur. and run in valdosta on fri. so i'll let you know how much of a difference it makes.

[gnd111]

Thanks - i am going to work on my POS tomorrow  need to get the starting issues figured out so i can get it tuned to find out where my back half MPH is.

123 in the 1/8th but only 147 in the 1/4...???

I think some of it is gearing...

What does your clutch look like........particularly the fibers? And what clutch springs do you have?

CLutches look great!  About 40 passes on them.  4 heavy duty springs and 2 extra heavy duty.  I mean no clutch issues at all...

DF- i told you you should have built and tuned my motor... 

[gnd111]

I am happy with even 122 in the 1/4.  On stock motor i ran 116.  When i went to 2 intake cams i used to go 118.  So a 4mph gain in the 1/8th going to a 1397 makes me happy.

Just don't know where my top end is...

1397 with the cams you have is breathing that much better, you just need the fuel to go with it! I may be getting mine tuned thur. and run in valdosta on fri. so i'll let you know how much of a difference it makes.

Jason - i didn't Valdosta was running Fri night...  I may try to get there myself...

[busa2001]

for you guys running two batteries do you connect them in parrel to double the CCA or series to double the voltage? is there any andvantage of doing it one way verses the other?

[gnd111]

busa 2001 - not in parallel.  it's not the cca's that mater - you want the starter to spin faster due to volts...

[busa2001]

ok got it! thanks

[southsidexpress]

PUT IT BEHIND HEADLIGHT WITH A TENDER CORD ON IT!

[gnd111]

PUT IT BEHIND HEADLIGHT WITH A TENDER CORD ON IT!

Too much work to remove the front of the bike and them mess with the headlight housing.  It is a good idea as far as weight over the tire goes..

[Pat Dietrich]

PUT IT BEHIND HEADLIGHT WITH A TENDER CORD ON IT!

Too much work to remove the front of the bike and them mess with the headlight housing.  It is a good idea as far as weight over the tire goes..

Must be one lazy dude, takes all of 10 mins to get the front of the bike apart. 

[gnd111]

PUT IT BEHIND HEADLIGHT WITH A TENDER CORD ON IT!

Too much work to remove the front of the bike and them mess with the headlight housing.  It is a good idea as far as weight over the tire goes..

Must be one lazy dude, takes all of 10 mins to get the front of the bike apart. 

Actually i have never tried it - but i probably will when i take the motor out and put a head on mine similar to yours...

[gnd111]

PUT IT BEHIND HEADLIGHT WITH A TENDER CORD ON IT!

Too much work to remove the front of the bike and them mess with the headlight housing.  It is a good idea as far as weight over the tire goes..

Must be one lazy dude, takes all of 10 mins to get the front of the bike apart. 

I work 10hour shifts at my job and raise 3 boys while still deplayong to sea for 12-14 hour shifts 7 days a week while i am out there.  Nothing lazy about me...