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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2006, 04:45:56 PM »
If by "kill switch" you are referring to the "tip-over" switch - then I also concur that it would be very much worth checking - especially considering all the items he has already marked off the list.

Back in 2000, my Busa would do the same as you are describing, but I would get about 20 minutes or so out of it if bike was cold/had been sitting initially.

Not so long at all if warm or recently ridden.

Battery would get drained to nothing trying to restart - it would restart and run (a long blurb really) if persistently cranked over, then promptly sputter and die.

I went through the same song and dance as you have - fuel filters/screens, checking fuel pump, fuel hoses, connections etc.

Anyway - long story short - it was the tip over sensor.

Sensor was plugged in and looked "fine" but I unplugged it anyway and sprayed the connectors with contact cleaner.

After that, I never had the problem again.   :moped:

His TOS is not likely the issue in this case as he indicated, after his engine dies, he can hear his fuel pump running when he turns the ignition key to the "On" position.

As per Chapter 4, page 19 of the Hayabusa's Service Manual, the TOS cuts off supply current to the fuel pump, fuel injectors and ignition coils when it's activated. If the TOS were activated, he would never hear the fuel pump running.

Nykon, have you put it in "dealer mode" yet? If so, do you get any code other than C00? (C00 indicates no malfunctions)

acorrding to my manual it needs some sorta lcd thing to hook to display the dealer codes. Which I dont have.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2006, 09:20:32 PM »
All you need to do to activate the dealer codes is short circuit the plug under the seat with a paper clip or bared wire but be careful not to earth it out on the frame or something.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2006, 09:53:32 PM »
All you need to do to activate the dealer codes is short circuit the plug under the seat with a paper clip or bared wire but be careful not to earth it out on the frame or something.



will it display the codes in the odometer or clock?

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2006, 02:23:49 AM »
In the clock but you have to turn the ignition on of course after you cross the wires.
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2006, 03:24:46 AM »
if you need a fuel pump let me know i got two of them one came of my 2000 busa the other came of a motor that only had 2000 miles on it i will cut you a great deal on it if you need it
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2006, 06:23:13 PM »
Ok so heres an update.

I finally got a decent filter wrench and finished the oil change.

Started the bike, turned over and started up right away. tried to put the bike in gear and it died. Started the bike in gear and took it up the street and on my way back it died. Pushed the starter button and she fired back up and got me to my driveway were she idled at 1k rpm and died shortly after.

I tried lifting the tank and tried starting her again and I only got the normal were she just wouldnt fire.

I then tried starting the bike while the tank was up to take a look at my inline fuel filter, its clear so I figured I could get a rough basis on how the fuel was being brought through the lines.  Every time I tried starting her , shed' die and I could hear the fuel pump trying to suck fuel. But by watching the fuel filter I could see that there was no change of the fuel inside the filter. It didnt even budge.

So does that just mean the pump is toast or could there be other problems? I may see if I can borrow a friends video camera and I could tape the bike for a better diagnosis.

forgot to test the tos, but I'll do that after work.

Lastly, in dealer mode I was showing C00, or no malfunctions.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2006, 09:38:41 PM »
ok another update,


I checked and cleadned the TOS.


I then propt the tank up and started the bike, again fired right up. Its dark now so I can see the filer really clearly. The flow maintained the same amount the entire time the bike was running. It ran , at idle , for almost 20 minutes. 10 longer than normal. I then decided to try my luck. I put the tank down rolled her outta the garage and clicked into first got to the end of the driveway and dead.

It ran absolutely perfect until I put the tank down. Should I take out the pickup on the tank and see if theres sediment or something that's blocking it?

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated, if nothing else I may have to buy a new pump this coming week and hope that fixes it.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2006, 10:10:37 PM »
ok another update,


I checked and cleadned the TOS.


I then propt the tank up and started the bike, again fired right up. Its dark now so I can see the filer really clearly. The flow maintained the same amount the entire time the bike was running. It ran , at idle , for almost 20 minutes. 10 longer than normal. I then decided to try my luck. I put the tank down rolled her outta the garage and clicked into first got to the end of the driveway and dead.

It ran absolutely perfect until I put the tank down. Should I take out the pickup on the tank and see if theres sediment or something that's blocking it?

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated, if nothing else I may have to buy a new pump this coming week and hope that fixes it.

Yes, pull the fuel pump if you have to and make certain the inlet to the fuel pump is not clogged. That's why I told you to try running the engine with the tank propped up (via my PM), so any sediment would fall to the back of the tank and allow the engine to run. It really sounds like it's being starved for fuel especially since it ran fine until the tank was lowered once again.

You should also raise your idle to 1,150~1,200-RPM. 1,000-RPM is too low and will make it prone to stalling out.

ok will try that after work. It's 10pm and a little to late to start now.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2006, 11:08:01 PM »
ok another update,


I checked and cleadned the TOS.


I then propt the tank up and started the bike, again fired right up. Its dark now so I can see the filer really clearly. The flow maintained the same amount the entire time the bike was running. It ran , at idle , for almost 20 minutes. 10 longer than normal. I then decided to try my luck. I put the tank down rolled her outta the garage and clicked into first got to the end of the driveway and dead.

It ran absolutely perfect until I put the tank down. Should I take out the pickup on the tank and see if theres sediment or something that's blocking it?

Any other ideas are greatly appreciated, if nothing else I may have to buy a new pump this coming week and hope that fixes it.

Yes, pull the fuel pump if you have to and make certain the inlet to the fuel pump is not clogged. That's why I told you to try running the engine with the tank propped up (via my PM), so any sediment would fall to the back of the tank and allow the engine to run. It really sounds like it's being starved for fuel especially since it ran fine until the tank was lowered once again.

You should also raise your idle to 1,150~1,200-RPM. 1,000-RPM is too low and will make it prone to stalling out.

ok will try that after work. It's 10pm and a little to late to start now.

Don't pull the fuel pump, my mistake (you have a 99, so your pump is not in the tank). You need to pull the fuel pick up screens from your fuel tank.

Be very careful when draining your fuel. Gasoline is some seriously dangerous liquid. Make certain there are no pilots, flames or sparks from brushes of motors anywhere in the vicinity when you drain the tank because it's practically impossible to not spill at least some fuel.

I knew what you ment. Trust me I have drained the tank about 2 dozen times and have become quite proficent at it.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2006, 06:50:22 PM »
well I pull out the pickup in the tank, the giant filter in the tank was spotless.

But, I am a little embarassed now, I moved back the shield on the return line from the pump and saw it was kinked bad. Since I replaced my few line I had put new lines that were longer and well, that led to my down fall.

I snipped the return a tad shorter and buttoned her all back up. Just put 100 miles on her already.  :D

Feels so good to ride.


But now I have another question.

When I start to get on it around 7k+rpms the bike just falls on its face. It allmost feels like I am hitting the limiter. I am not sure whats causing this, I had the same problem last year. So I changed alot of things to try and fix it,

I torn apart the fuel system and removed/replaced/clean any fuel filters. New oil,coolant, and plugs.

I am thinking the pump is part of the problem, but I'd like some ideas.


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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2006, 01:00:10 AM »
mine did the same thing at 7k did you take you pump assembly completely apart(pull the pump out of the housing) the filter housing that goes around the pump could be pluged its the screen right at the pickup for the fuel pump all the sediment collects their and will kill the flow of the pump
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2006, 01:44:33 PM »
mine did the same thing at 7k did you take you pump assembly completely apart(pull the pump out of the housing) the filter housing that goes around the pump could be pluged its the screen right at the pickup for the fuel pump all the sediment collects their and will kill the flow of the pump

your talking about the screen thats behind the #2 part on this pic right,
http://tinyurl.com/ze7to

they dont even show it on the scematic for some reason. I have tried a few time to completely pull that part out but I feel I will end up breaking it if I pull it to hard. It starts to warp and flex so I dont try any harder. I usually just flush it until the screen is clear. I have only put 100 miles on since the complete cleaning or replacement of the fuel filters and screens.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2006, 08:11:19 PM »
mine did the same thing at 7k did you take you pump assembly completely apart(pull the pump out of the housing) the filter housing that goes around the pump could be pluged its the screen right at the pickup for the fuel pump all the sediment collects their and will kill the flow of the pump

your talking about the screen thats behind the #2 part on this pic right,
http://tinyurl.com/ze7to

they dont even show it on the scematic for some reason. I have tried a few time to completely pull that part out but I feel I will end up breaking it if I pull it to hard. It starts to warp and flex so I dont try any harder. I usually just flush it until the screen is clear. I have only put 100 miles on since the complete cleaning or replacement of the fuel filters and screens.

Assembly #2 will come out but it is tight.
I have had mine apart and the worst is getting O-ring #3 and especially #6 back in.
Someone posted a trick for doing this but I don't remember who. I also have not tried the trick myself.
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2006, 08:25:15 PM »
yes you need to get the plastic surround out because there is no way you can get all of the crap out of the housing with taking it out i think i used a pair of neddle nose pliers to pull it out and spray out with some carb cleaner
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2006, 08:41:31 PM »
Well, thanks quasar for you help. There was one vent line under the tank the was pniched. made sure they flowed without them pinching. Started the bike, it ran for 10 minutes then cut out.

Then decided to change the oil since the bike was warm, low and behold theres not a wrench of any kind to be found in over $10,000 of tools that will fit the filter. SO now I cant even change the damn oil. I am about to just kick the damn thing over and sell it. I cant deal with this shit anymore... I have no money to have it looked at let alone get it fixed. I am about to sell the whole damn bike to pay off the remaining $1000 on the loan. I just cant keep thinking its done and ready and have this keep happening.


I give up..

So why change the filter? have you looked at your manual ever ? Open it up scroll down in the maintenance column and see how often they say change the filter -just about never.

Its NOT your oil anyways so slow down.

You'll need to clean the filter and test the fuel pump. a fuel pressure gauge should do it just hack it in there and put a double barbed hose splice in afterwards.

Motorhead told you what it was  now what the fuck you waiting for?

clean the filter

test the pump
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2006, 08:31:50 AM »
So why change the filter? have you looked at your manual ever ? Open it up scroll down in the maintenance column and see how often they say change the filter -just about never.

Its NOT your oil anyways so slow down.

You'll need to clean the filter and test the fuel pump. a fuel pressure gauge should do it just hack it in there and put a double barbed hose splice in afterwards.

Motorhead told you what it was  now what the fuck you waiting for?

clean the filter

test the pump

Worded like that I'll just disregard your post.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2006, 11:41:02 AM »
 YOUR LINES ARE KINKING!!! I have a 99 too, and mine did the same thing. The lines will look just fine until the tank is so far down you can't see the lines anymore, THEN they'll kink.  If you get a flashlight and peek under the tank WHEN IT'S CLOSED you might catch the line(s) kinking. They may also kink AFTER they get hot and soften up. I must have spent two hours with my lines to get them not to kink. The return line still kinked on me once after all that work. Your description and recent improvemnt with the tank up points right to the supply line. Stick a 2 or 3 inch spacer block under the front of the tank and secure it so it won't fall out when you ride the bike. Then take the bike out for a ride. The supply line should be much less likely to kink if it's not compressed in the under tank space. If your bike does fine with the tank propped up then replace the supply line and/or put a plastic sleev over the top of the line so it can't bend and kink at the tank oulet. Good luck and don't give up. Also check the entire line by bending every part of it to see if it has a tendancy to kink in certain spots. Mine had a kinky spot right where it attatched to the petcock. It had another kink spot in a curve right by the seat. I could not see either one of them when the tank was even slightly raise.
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **Updated**
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2006, 02:35:50 PM »
I just want to say that I'm a little pissed.
That's right.
You said *updated*.
To me, that means you found the problem and got it fixed, alas, that is not the case.
At the very least, it means you've found something out.  You've gotten somewhere.  You've made some progress.  I don't feel that any of this has happened.  In fact, I feel a bit cheated here.
I'll be keeping an eye on the thread title.  No more updates.  I will be looking for **fixed**!!
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ok all better, read the first post again.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **fixed!!** now another problem
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2006, 10:53:40 AM »
 Buy and install a fuel pressure guage. When the bike goes flat look at the pressure. Normally it should be at 40-42 psi. If it spikes or drops you either have a defective petcock, kinks (still), defective pump, or bad fuel cap that doesn't breath and creates a vacuum which the pump cannot overcome. Then next time you ride it try leaving the gas cap open (don't put too much fuel in it obviously) and see if it still falls flat. I'd still try the gas tank prop up too. The more fuel you flow the more likely the line is to kink. It may still be a kink that, while better, still bends and kinks at high flow rates (i.e. full throttle).
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **fixed!!** now another problem
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2006, 01:10:17 AM »
Looking for an update.
You will fix that fucking bike or I will make sure this thread haunts you for a good long time.
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I will fix it your right, but until I can get a fuel pressure gauge I can not definativley tell you its the pump. I unlike most on the board dont have a ton, or any , money to throw at my bike.  I make enough to pay for school and pay my loan payment on the bike. I live paycheck to paycheck. It runs and I can drive it, right now thats enough.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **fixed!!** now another problem
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2006, 07:34:24 PM »
Looking for an update.
You will fix that fucking bike or I will make sure this thread haunts you for a good long time.
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I will fix it your right, but until I can get a fuel pressure gauge I can not definativley tell you its the pump. I unlike most on the board dont have a ton, or any , money to throw at my bike.  I make enough to pay for school and pay my loan payment on the bike. I live paycheck to paycheck. It runs and I can drive it, right now thats enough.

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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **fixed!!** now another problem
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2006, 11:04:50 AM »
 There's a 2000 fuel pump on the parts board for 150 w/injecters. But the pjump and sell the injecters?
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Re: 99' busa cuts out after 10 minutes **fixed!!** now another problem
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2006, 03:21:22 PM »
i will sell you a pump for alot cheaper if you need it
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