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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2006, 10:43:16 AM »

I'm not trying to talk you out of a 1507, but a 1397 with a 43 tooth sprocket would be pretty tough to beat for the price. :wink:

Ok..that makes sense. What about the conrods? which is their limit?

About the sprocket, I don't want to shorten the final ratio, 'cause the second gear is simply perfectly long for our most common mountain pass.

Actually my original idea was to go to 1396 and then fit a TTS supercharger kit. Because I thought that increasing the displacement was necessary to cover the lost of torque at low rpm due to the lower compression.


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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #51 on: October 19, 2006, 11:33:40 AM »
My idiots point of view: Pick up and just drop in some JE 1397 12:1 turbo pistons with the thicker landing. Keep the head stock with an epoxy job to keep the velocity moving as was mentioned previously and maybe intake on exhaust side properly degreed.

Run that set up for a while.

If you need more then drop in the old supercharger and run a nice streetable 8# of linear boost. The Rods and rest of the lower end are strong enough to handle it and I am the type that would error on the side of being conservative. ARP studds, some beefy valve springs will help keep things together, and might as well pick up some of them fatty MotorHead clutch springs to support the site.

Don't know if it gets hot where you live, I doubt it......But a dual Busa fan set up really puts out a nice breeze with a good look (flip it up side down trim a little and re-use the brackets, It'll look just like the other side) and the lower temp Honda fan switch is nice so you can be clean without toggle switches and wires everywhere.

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2006, 12:14:46 PM »
Spaz, what mph do your 1397s run in the 1/4?  Also, list wheelbase weight of bike & rider. 

My '03 busa with Spaz 1397 pist and head. I don't have his cams, but lower lift than his. He put it together for me when he came over here in ARUBA !
Bike is 64-65 in wb, I weight 150+ without suit. Been best 8.78 @ 157 mph with a 1.39 60'

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2006, 12:24:11 PM »
i dont think JE makes 12-1 turbo pistons . the standard ones are just shy of 9-1 .
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2006, 01:45:14 PM »
i dont think JE makes 12-1 turbo pistons . the standard ones are just shy of 9-1 .

That and id like to see someone run 8# on a 12:1 motor.

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2006, 02:02:04 PM »
If you need more then drop in the old supercharger .

Which one do you mean?

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2006, 02:57:25 PM »
The ones I picked up off the board were probably custom, but whats a couple extra hundred bucks.

I also said try it out with the 12:1 and if he still needed more power then put a super charger on it. When the supercharger goes on then he can change the compression with base plate/shims and run what ever boost he likes or his builder likes.

Only supercharger sales I know of is TTS Rotex or some guy out of California Superbikes in last street and strip mag.

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2006, 03:21:35 PM »
FYI,
stock rods are good for 300 hp.
Also, if you gear too much for second gear, there's always third.
It's GONNA make some low end! :wink:
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2006, 03:55:31 PM »
What about running a 1429,plenty reliable,one battery,no overheating problems unless standing still for +- 5 min,makes good torque & awesome crazy power.  :thumb:
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2006, 05:58:20 PM »
What about running a 1429,plenty reliable,one battery,no overheating problems unless standing still for +- 5 min,makes good torque & awesome crazy power.  :thumb:
Who built yours? Can you give the specs on it? Cams, compression, heads, builder, etc.

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2006, 06:05:55 AM »
FYI,
stock rods are good for 300 hp.
Also, if you gear too much for second gear, there's always third.
It's GONNA make some low end! :wink:

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2006, 09:05:02 AM »
He said that he didn't want to use nitrous, but that is a good point.
Nitrous hits a crank harder than a turbo.

I ran 277 hp on nitrous and never had a problem except a piston..
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2006, 10:14:59 AM »
He said that he didn't want to use nitrous, but that is a good point.
Nitrous hits a crank harder than a turbo.

I ran 277 hp on nitrous and never had a problem except a piston..

And a centrifugal supercharger is even softer..

Another question about the 1429..isn't that too much for the standard block? I mean, boring 3 or 4mm I would choose the second one for power, but everybody goes for the 1396..

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2006, 12:11:55 PM »
I WOULD NOT DO A 85MM BORE, THE SLEEVES WILL BE THIN AND WILL WARP EASILY, I WOULD RATHER HAVE SEALED UP 84MM MOTOR THAN A LEAKY 85. :wink:, 85MM OKAY FOR TRACK BUT NOT STREET RIDING
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2006, 12:13:07 PM »
I wouldn't go 1430 on a stock block.I have 1, but it's a billet block. I would stay 1397.
I have heard of 1430s overheating.

Spaz builds a 1414, but I haven't heard any results about them.
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2006, 12:48:23 PM »
I do have a 1414cc piptons kit it is exclusive for Spaz Racing and works great we have done alot with strokers and with stock cranks only a 1553cc makes 250-255hp

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2006, 01:53:03 PM »
What about running a 1429,plenty reliable,one battery,no overheating problems unless standing still for +- 5 min,makes good torque & awesome crazy power.  :thumb:

What about this? Is that the 85mm bore?

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2006, 02:29:50 PM »
Stock bore 81mm
1363cc 2mm over 83mm
1397cc 3mm over 84mm
1414cc 3.5 over 84.5mm
1430cc 4mm over 85mm
1397cc with a 5mm cranck 1507cc
1397cc with a 6.25mm crank 1535cc
1414cc with a 6.25mm crank 1553cc
1430cc with a 6.25mm crank 1570cc

formula is bore x bore x stroke x number of cylinders x .7854

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2006, 01:16:25 AM »
84.5mm or 3.327" (1,413cc) is not an exclusive to anyone or any company, they can be made from either JE, Wiseco ross, cp, arias or any other forged piston company that will make custom pistons, at JE and most other companies the minimum order is four pistons and the cost is about $ 125.00 per piston retail including pin fitting and pin locks, Bore friendly gas Nitrided rings and tool steel pins are extra.

Anymore questions regarding pistons you may want to consult with people that know what they are talking about and deal with pistons every day not just some people that act as a vulture on this and other websites to do nothing except comment about parts they sell.

Call all of the piston companies arias, mtc,Wiseco, cp, Je, Manley, Lunati, Diamond, ross, etc and get a feel for who has the most experience with HP and the bike you are building, even do a poll and ask people that have bought from these companies.

As others have said the 1,396 makes the best overall kit with regards to HP and longevity, some race only engines are 85mm in a stock block however they will succumb to blown head gaskets and other similar maladies in a street application in a very short time.  Perhaps someone here that has built a large bore bike can post some of THERE OWN dyno-graphs to illustrate the hp potential and then they should be able to also offer you a guarantee as to how long you should expect with the engine build you have chosen if you were to purchase either parts or a complete engine build from them along with the recipe for what HP you should expect.


Good luck with your build whatever piston/engine builder combination you should choose, for a large cc Busa engine with either a stroker or non stroker I would see what Dave Owen, Lees, Carpenter racing or other builders can offer.

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2006, 02:20:47 AM »
IFLYLOW do not have full spec on motor as i bought it with 1397 kit,picked up a set of 1429 pistons from one of the board members at a good price.I do know it has a set of yosh cams,gasflowed head,knife edged crank,but all this was already done when i bought it.
Goo'Roo yep it's the 85mm bore,ive probably done about 10-15000 km on this motor & she just seems to run better & better everytime,never had a days trouble with overheating,headgasket sealing issues or anything.As the guys that know said it all comes down to the engine builder.Listen to what Speed King is saying he is Da Man when it comes to pistons.
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2006, 06:30:26 AM »
84.5mm or 3.327" (1,413cc) is not an exclusive to anyone or any company, they can be made from either JE, Wiseco ross, cp, arias or any other forged piston company that will make custom pistons, at JE and most other companies the minimum order is four pistons and the cost is about $ 125.00 per piston retail including pin fitting and pin locks, Bore friendly gas Nitrided rings and tool steel pins are extra.

Anymore questions regarding pistons you may want to consult with people that know what they are talking about and deal with pistons every day not just some people that act as a vulture on this and other websites to do nothing except comment about parts they sell.

Call all of the piston companies arias, mtc,Wiseco, cp, Je, Manley, Lunati, Diamond, ross, etc and get a feel for who has the most experience with HP and the bike you are building, even do a poll and ask people that have bought from these companies.

As others have said the 1,396 makes the best overall kit with regards to HP and longevity, some race only engines are 85mm in a stock block however they will succumb to blown head gaskets and other similar maladies in a street application in a very short time.  Perhaps someone here that has built a large bore bike can post some of THERE OWN dyno-graphs to illustrate the hp potential and then they should be able to also offer you a guarantee as to how long you should expect with the engine build you have chosen if you were to purchase either parts or a complete engine build from them along with the recipe for what HP you should expect.


Good luck with your build whatever piston/engine builder combination you should choose, for a large cc Busa engine with either a stroker or non stroker I would see what Dave Owen, Lees, Carpenter racing or other builders can offer.

John






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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2006, 06:40:23 AM »
I do have a 1414cc piptons kit it is exclusive for Spaz Racing and works great we have done alot with strokers and with stock cranks only a 1553cc makes 250-255hp
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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2006, 07:14:27 AM »
Ok guys..I've got it..

I've contacted California superbike for a supercharger application, they don't sell anymore TTS stuff 'cause of thery faulty customer service, they're going their way at the moment (havin' copied the tts kit first.. ndGoo'Roo who said that?? :lol:)
Anyway, I would go for a 1396 with a supercharger adding an intercooler even with the low boost I need (we were talking about a range of 240-260hp), always because of reliability and detonation control under long heavy load (motorway..).
It's really expensive for me to send to America an engine head, so I've still to decide what to do. A better flowing head is good for a na engine and is even better for a supercharged..so I'm really tempted anyway and that kind of work in Italy costs just too much to be considered.
I thought to use an intake cam on the exhaust to help all the stuff I'm pushing in to flow out better, what do you think about that?

Before you were talking about modifying the crankcase for better oil feeding, Do you think would be necessary?

For their kit they're using bigger injectors,fuel pump and then map it with a PC3..is that really enough to have a good power delivery and reliability?
For the exhaust another issue..I would buy a TIFORCE sumo, but I need to modify the 4th and maybe the 3rd pipe due to the blower position..any other idea?

Sorry for stressing you all, but I think that thread could become a nice receipt for many, what do you think?  :wink:

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Re: 1507cc
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2006, 03:36:54 PM »
for a super charger i wouldnt think you need to do any head work on a busa
we dont do much on turbo aplications
and the busa head flows pretty nice to start with?
but id ask superbikes out of cali see what they say
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