What Pistons Aer the Best ?

[SPEED KING]

Wiseco and JE don't use the same blanks?

How hard is it to understand,

JE makes and designs there pistons in Calif, Wiseco Designs and makes there pistons in Ohio..

[DaveO]

From my limited knowledge....

Two SEPERATE companies designing/manufacturing as they were before being owned by same parent company..

They may share in buying certain components at a larger volume now??? rings/gaskets/etc...but I am just guessing here...

IMO NOBODY has been more in tune with the requirements/develpoment of Busa/ZX12 pistons(esp forced induction) than JE....They have made customs for myself and others many times....

Have to give credit where it's due...(how'd I do John?..LOL)

AND they sponsor the worlds fastest bikes too!!!!

Dave

[nickelcityracing]

Good answer Dave....Jody

[mike46]

Wiseco and JE don't use the same blanks?

How hard is it to understand,

JE makes and designs there pistons in Calif, Wiseco Designs and makes there pistons in Ohio..

You missed the question. My question was...and remains... are the blank forgings supplied to both companies from the same vendor....not where the pistons are designed, finished or shipped from. To be very specific....does JE have a full smelting/forging shop in the Huntington Beach facility? Does Wiseco in Ohio? A single vendor obviously can supply different spec materials to both you and Wiseco. What I do know since the takeover Wiseco jacked up all prices, changed their dealer policies and eliminated their machine shop services (boring etc)available to the public. I would assume staff cuts at Wiseco were also part of the picture. Now if the supply of blanks is a big secret......

[SPEED KING]

Wiseco and JE don't use the same blanks?

How hard is it to understand,

JE makes and designs there pistons in Calif, Wiseco Designs and makes there pistons in Ohio..

You missed the question. My question was...and remains... are the blank forgings supplied to both companies from the same vendor....not where the pistons are designed, finished or shipped from. To be very specific....does JE have a full smelting/forging shop in the Huntington Beach facility? Does Wiseco in Ohio? A single vendor obviously can supply different spec materials to both you and Wiseco. What I do know since the takeover Wiseco jacked up all prices, changed their dealer policies and eliminated their machine shop services (boring etc)available to the public. I would assume staff cuts at Wiseco were also part of the picture. Now if the supply of blanks is a big secret......

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Clear enough?

J

[rem300ultra]

Very. Although I had to get my granddaughter to decipher it for me.

[mike46]

Wiseco and JE don't use the same blanks?

How hard is it to understand,

JE makes and designs there pistons in Calif, Wiseco Designs and makes there pistons in Ohio..

You missed the question. My question was...and remains... are the blank forgings supplied to both companies from the same vendor....not where the pistons are designed, finished or shipped from. To be very specific....does JE have a full smelting/forging shop in the Huntington Beach facility? Does Wiseco in Ohio? A single vendor obviously can supply different spec materials to both you and Wiseco. What I do know since the takeover Wiseco jacked up all prices, changed their dealer policies and eliminated their machine shop services (boring etc)available to the public. I would assume staff cuts at Wiseco were also part of the picture. Now if the supply of blanks is a big secret......

I  will  write this as clear as I can. JE  designs and has one of several  companies  produce the forgings to our specs  and  Wiseco designs and produces  thier own forgings.


Some of JE's forgings are forged at Wiseco. 

Again, these are designed at JE and forged at one of several companies across the USA.  JE DOES NOT MACHINE JE MC PISTONS ON FORGINGS THAT ARE DESIGNED AT WISECO.

Clear enough?
J

I took the oppurtunity to decipher your response as most of us don't have a JE "Enigma" machine. I thought it was a straight forward question but you obiviously want to imply ignorance and/or stupidity on my part. In terms of piston application...I'd venture to say there are no JE pistons in any current Formula1 car or MotoGP bike. I have never seen a JE sticker on any of the major MotoGP teams. Does Yoshimura run JE or a piston made by ART? I'll still say Cosworth made the nicest bike piston I've seen and had the best pin. On a final note, I always have maintained that leaving the motorcycling industry to work with special needs kids was a lateral career move.

[spdingtkts]

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It is good to see you finally answered his simple question about where JE's blanks are sourced from.

Some people really should educate themselves prior to trying to educate others...Wiseco makes there bike pistons in Ohio, JE makes the bike pistons in Huntington Beach California (less than a mile from me )

JE makes and designs there pistons in Calif, Wiseco Designs and makes there pistons in Ohio.

Seeing how you do not know the difference between two of the most commonly used words in the English language, "there" and "their", I would recommend you refrain from bringing up the topic of education.

[spdingtkts]

I'd venture to say there are no JE pistons in any current Formula1 car or MotoGP bike. I have never seen a JE sticker on any of the major MotoGP teams.

Trust me Mike - they are in there, it is just so top secret they don't want anyone to know.

[SPEED KING]

I won't even begin to tell you about the numerous teams that run our products, many of them want you to spend big dollars to place a decal on the side of the bike, car or vehicle, on Friday we charged a $ 15,000.00 engineering fee to one customer rather than have the decal on the vehicle for a few races for some added exposure.

Mike, please don't change what I typed regarding where parts are designed and machined at, if you ever want to call I would be happy to answer your questions however since you continue to cheerlead for a piston company that no longer makes motorcycle pistons (wonder why since they were so great) I am sure you would not be interested.

I will refrain from any further posts on this as I have a bike to finish building..(with JE's)

St's, point taken, that is the most common mistake made in the written language.

J

[spdingtkts]

Mike wasn't asking where your parts are designed, packaged, or shipped from.

Mike and some others were asking a straight forward question regarding procurement of blanks & you seemed to want to dance around the answer.

Cosworth no longer produces motorcycle pistons for a variety of reasons, none of which change the fact that they produced THE best aftermarket piston bar none, completely made in house from their own blanks.

[deezuhl]

Im putting Cp's in the busa i am building cause i love to go with the underdog company and i know 1st hand the quality they produce. they just havent gotten the exposure just yet.. I think i can prove their quality is as good as most any other piston company. with an N/A motor it really isnt rocket science.. Turbo and turbo/n20 their become alot of different characteristics of each piston that make 1 alot better than the other..

[Busa Quick]

   If no one else does I want to thank Speed King for giving at least some "inside" info on this subject. Everyone needs to remember that he is talking about products that he is personally envolved in a makes a living off of. Like any specialized business you are going to have trade secrets and private customers that you can't talk about therefore, you can't blab everything on the internet.

  Do you expect him to tell you all pistons are the same but, you must by from me? That wouldn't be too smart or good for business and I wouldn,t expect to hear what the secret batch is made of either.

 No disrespect to anyone,
Mark

[enginetuna]

I've yet to see a decent JE piston.  All the ones that have come through my door are big heavy clunky items.  But then i deal with the Wiseco rep and don't even know if there is a JE one near me.  Do they do trick pistons like the ones i showed earlier?
What i've found is giving simple answers to simples questions works out well for everyone

[mike46]

I won't even begin to tell you about the numerous teams that run our products, many of them want you to spend big dollars to place a decal on the side of the bike, car or vehicle, on Friday we charged a $ 15,000.00 engineering fee to one customer rather than have the decal on the vehicle for a few races for some added exposure.

Mike, please don't change what I typed regarding where parts are designed and machined at, if you ever want to call I would be happy to answer your questions however since you continue to cheerlead for a piston company that no longer makes motorcycle pistons (wonder why since they were so great) I am sure you would not be interested.

I will refrain from any further posts on this as I have a bike to finish building..(with JE's)

St's, point taken, that is the most common mistake made in the written language.

J

While you may not read this it doesn't explain you denigrating my question or IQ. I find it personally irresponsible and insulting. I'm not a"Cheerleader" for any company...though apparently it would be OK as long as it was JE. I assume you mean I should keep my mouth shut in regard to years of personal experience. Secondly, I didn't change your post except for poor grammer.

[spdingtkts]

I've yet to see a decent JE piston.  All the ones that have come through my door are big heavy clunky items.

That is so true I just made it my sig.

The Japs must look at 99% of the shit made in this country and scratch their heads in amazement wondering how they lost the war.

[deezuhl]

every person will have a different experience with a company. some good some bad. thats why posts about who makes the best this or that is usually useless. especially when it comes to engine internals.. just cause something worked in my bike i still never say its the best i just say i know it worked..

[hondadog]

MTC are in my opinion the best made piston out there. JE is the best buy because of the availability, turn around time, and price. Engineering wise I prefer the MTCs. Just my opinion. I have used them all at least once so I am not just talking out of the side of my mouth.

[SPARKY1397R]

I didn't change your post except for poor grammer.

 making fun of someone's grammar while mis-spelling the word,  priceless

[SPEED KING]

I didn't change your post except for poor grammer.

 making fun of someone's grammar while mis-spelling the word,  priceless

Sshhhhh, don't tell him...

[mike46]

I will refrain from any further posts on this as I have a bike to finish building..(with JE's)

J

.....and so many of us hoped that was a promise too. You have to learn to commit.

[mike46]

I didn't change your post except for poor grammer.

 making fun of someone's grammar while mis-spelling the word,  priceless

Nobody is perfect. Good luck with your new home

[SPARKY1397R]

I didn't change your post except for poor grammer.

 making fun of someone's grammar while mis-spelling the word,  priceless

Nobody is perfect. Good luck with your new home

i didnt say anyone is perfect,  you have to admire the humor in that though. 

[fastbikejames]

What Pistons Are the Best ? Wiseco or JE or does it matter

  Hey slo-poke, G-MAN could prob help you with this post

[spdingtkts]

The fastest, quickest, and Highest HP Busas ALL run JE

Bill O'Reilly was discussing statements made by Rosie O'Donnell regarding the television show American Idol.

I never thought that I would agree with Rosie, but after hearing some of her "wisdom" I thought of you John.

"If you keep serving people crap and telling them its a meal, eventually they're going to think it's a meal"