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Title: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:12:45 PM
running 9.3s a few changes this winter maybe runing 9.2s, getting bored with the 9,s, wanting to get a turbo, no nothing about them at all what would you turbo guys recommend, i ride on the rode a lot to and dragstrip every weekednd, wanting some 8,s  what turbo kit would you guys recommend? prices, and pictures would be great? total price tranny undercut, spacer, boost cont, good clutch, laber everything, thanks
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:14:41 PM
forgot to mention i hear a few of the turbo guys say they work on it more than ride it , i want a street reliable one,
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
550HP Hayabusa Street/Strip kit 
( RCC Turbos )
 
Price per Unit (piece): $8 900.00
 
(http://rccturbos.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/332f8dc6b6c7a3dd418fd4d55d4941bf.jpg)
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:23:10 PM
dont have that much cashola
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Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:24:06 PM
Then you might want to go with NO2.  :D
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
already have that, tired of filling, heating, all that changing around bottles every 2, passes,
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:31:07 PM
You can get a Stage 1 turbo set up cheaper. ~3500 used... ~4000 new.
But if you want one to set up and be done with. Go with a stage 2.
Trust me, hind sight is 20/20.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:32:36 PM
what brand would you go with
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:35:23 PM
If I had it to do over again, I would go with RCC Turbos. http://www.rccturbos.com/ (http://www.rccturbos.com/)
Great guy and great costomer sevice.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1low04Busa on February 28, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
if you go turbo, you dont hafta get the street/strip kit for the 8900.00. you van get a new stage 1 kit from RCC. they run 4400.00 and with the new turos, you can upgrade by adding secondary inectors.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
woukd you recommend a used one how do you tell if there worn out,
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:41:56 PM
Yes you can.  :thumb:
That's prolly what I would do. Though, you can only safely get ~250hp out of a stock engine.
So the secondary set up is a little over kill.
Add an engine spacer, adj cam sprockets, pro mod cyl. studs, HD valve springs with the secondary set up and your ready for ~ 300 hp on a great daily driver.
That's the direction I'm heading.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:45:07 PM
woukd you recommend a used one how do you tell if there worn out,

That's the only problem with used kits...
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
whats that
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
...being worn out. Hard to tell over the internet.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 08:51:44 PM
so rcc is what you would recommend and average price for a used one stage one is 3,500.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Coryonbusa on February 28, 2008, 08:56:01 PM
You got it.  :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1low04Busa on February 28, 2008, 08:59:18 PM
yes, jus buy a new RCC kit. customer service is great and kit is topnotch  :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 09:29:40 PM
Id like too but money is a issue
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: sam1300 on February 28, 2008, 09:35:20 PM
RCC stage 1.   :thumb:  Just got mine back on Sunday and it rocks!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 28, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
price on it  have you run it yet at strip
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BELLBUSA on February 28, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
Don't forget, you would need to pay someone to install it!  :stupid:
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Post by: Dan.J on February 28, 2008, 10:13:02 PM
Don't forget, you would need to pay someone to install it!  :stupid:
:lol: indeed!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: cstraubs1 on February 29, 2008, 07:07:20 AM
And be able to tune/check the tune on a dyno.... :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 07:55:23 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BELLBUSA on February 29, 2008, 08:18:04 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
How many lbs of boost?
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: sam1300 on February 29, 2008, 08:55:53 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
How many lbs of boost?

7.5 psi boost.  turbo spins up at about 5500 rpm and then its warp time
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on February 29, 2008, 09:19:40 AM
whats a good clutch setup to get and $  :bah:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: ZX-ALAN on February 29, 2008, 09:20:20 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
How many lbs of boost?

7.5 psi boost.  turbo spins up at about 5500 rpm and then its warp time


Stock compression or Spacer?  243hp is pretty good for 7lbs.. :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Dan.J on February 29, 2008, 09:22:43 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
How many lbs of boost?

7.5 psi boost.  turbo spins up at about 5500 rpm and then its warp time


Stock compression or Spacer?  243hp is pretty good for 7lbs.. :thumb:
yah im curious as well :thumb: trying to decide what the hell im doing with mine.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Bonedust on February 29, 2008, 09:23:49 AM
if you want a reliable street and strip turbo bike, prepare to spend $10k.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 10:51:06 AM
Just got mine back last Thurs. with the RCC Stage 1(also trans.,Mac arm,etc.)and for a streetable bike am very happy with it.Made 243 hp and coming from 162 hp is still taking a little used to.May upgrade it a little this winter but will decide on that over the summer,don't see a lot of places to use over 250 hp on the street(other than the hp wars/bragging rights :lol:). :thumb:
How many lbs of boost?

7.5 psi boost.  turbo spins up at about 5500 rpm and then its warp time


Stock compression or Spacer?  243hp is pretty good for 7lbs.. :thumb:

Hey Alan,

Stock comp. and no spacer.I've heard they're preset at around 7.5 psi and Chris(blk02ws6 here on the board who did all the work) thought maybe 8.My dyno sheet says 242.89 hp and 133.74 torque on 91 octane,and the delivery is really smooth(i swear you can practically lay a straightedge on the graph and get a totally straight line from3200 rpm up to 10,000 where it levels off). I'm totally pleased with it and the way he set everything up,with the 6" over arm/lowered/revalved-resprung shock,43T(and i'm 220 lbs.) there are no wheelies,no apparent tire spin(from a roll on anyway)and no wasted hp...the thing just flat out goes(this is my 1st turbo and i'm not qualified to judge anything/sure i may want a little more down the road like everyone says...but i'm sure the way he set everything up on the bike aids in the way it shits and gets for a little Stage1 bike).I'll get some pictures posted tomorrow,looks really good.

Jeff
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: ZX-ALAN on February 29, 2008, 11:02:28 AM
jeff it probably came with either a 5.80lbs spring or a 7.25lb spring.... If you are seeing 7lbs, I suppose it could be either one.  If you are running a true 7-8lbs of boost, make sure your mapping is dead on and I would dump some race gas in it when you start beating on it hard, like at the strip or top end runs....7-8lbs is DEFINETLY the border line for pump gas on stock compression..  Also make sure you are not getting any boost creep at high rpms.... if all is well, you will have a blast with that thing....
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
jeff it probably came with either a 5.80lbs spring or a 7.25lb spring.... If you are seeing 7lbs, I suppose it could be either one.  If you are running a true 7-8lbs of boost, make sure your mapping is dead on and I would dump some race gas in it when you start beating on it hard, like at the strip or top end runs....7-8lbs is DEFINETLY the border line for pump gas on stock compression..  Also make sure you are not getting any boost creep at high rpms.... if all is well, you will have a blast with that thing....

That's what i've heard and will not beat it up too much.Probably will never see a strip and have only run it up to the indicated 186 once and then let right off of it,don't want to melt anything(even find myself short shifting a little the few times i've nailed it,makes max. torque at 7800 rpms and almost max hp at about 10,200 so don't really push it).I'm surprised at how quickly this little bastard revs and hits 200 hp at about 7800 rpms also.

Got your's ready to go yet?I've been following your progress in the pics you post but haven't looked in on you in a week or so...nice stuff! :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 03:47:27 PM
forgot to mention i hear a few of the turbo guys say they work on it more than ride it , i want a street reliable one,

This is VERY TRUE for a cheap kit or an improperly tuned kit.  Call Richard at RCC Turbos, he can set you up with a nice kit.  But if you are going turbo, stay away from Stage 1 kits, if you do it, do it right and use secondary injection.  Also get it tuned by someone who knows how too tune it.

I have had 3 Turbo kits from RCC, all with secondary injection and NEVER HAD A SINGLE DOWN DAY.  only time I work on my bikes is when I am adding something too them.  I have never had my bike apart because of a problem with one of Richards kits.

Do it right the first time RCC!!!!

If money is not an object, nothing beats a Custom kit from Seb. at NLR.  He is building my next Kit!!!!!  :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BrianK on February 29, 2008, 04:01:33 PM
forgot to mention i hear a few of the turbo guys say they work on it more than ride it , i want a street reliable one,

This is VERY TRUE for a cheap kit or an improperly tuned kit.  Call Richard at RCC Turbos, he can set you up with a nice kit.  But if you are going turbo, stay away from Stage 1 kits, if you do it, do it right and use secondary injection.  Also get it tuned by someone who knows how too tune it.

I have had 3 Turbo kits from RCC, all with secondary injection and NEVER HAD A SINGLE DOWN DAY.  only time I work on my bikes is when I am adding something too them.  I have never had my bike apart because of a problem with one of Richards kits.

Do it right the first time RCC!!!!

If money is not an object, nothing beats a Custom kit from Seb. at NLR.  He is building my next Kit!!!!!  :thumb:

there is no reason to stay away from a rcc stage 1 kit.....
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: blk02ws6 on February 29, 2008, 04:26:09 PM
i dont see the issue with stage 1 kits either. the're designed to be an entry level kit with the oppertunity for upgrade in the future. if you set it up right, and dont keep screwing with it, it will last for ever.  Jeff's bike has a 7.25 spring in it, and its making just under 8 on a gauge, there is no boost creep, and his AFR is setup at 11.4 to 11.6

unless he goes out and holds it wide open for 5 minutes straight, his bike will last a very long time.

as far as a transmission, i use Carolina cycle for stock back cuts. 1 day turn around and excellent customer service.

for a clutch, if your good with a hand clutch, stick with that, if not you can go to a 2 stage lockup and still be streetable. a big role that is commonly overlooked in drag racing is chassis setup. if one part is fighting the proper workings of another, you'll never reach your full potential, and always be chasing your tale.

RCC X100  :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 06:51:40 PM
i dont see the issue with stage 1 kits either. the're designed to be an entry level kit with the oppertunity for upgrade in the future. if you set it up right, and dont keep screwing with it, it will last for ever.  Jeff's bike has a 7.25 spring in it, and its making just under 8 on a gauge, there is no boost creep, and his AFR is setup at 11.4 to 11.6

unless he goes out and holds it wide open for 5 minutes straight, his bike will last a very long time.

as far as a transmission, i use Carolina cycle for stock back cuts. 1 day turn around and excellent customer service.

for a clutch, if your good with a hand clutch, stick with that, if not you can go to a 2 stage lockup and still be streetable. a big role that is commonly overlooked in drag racing is chassis setup. if one part is fighting the proper workings of another, you'll never reach your full potential, and always be chasing your tale.

RCC X100  :thumb:

...what he said :lol:

Since at least 90% of the time i'll probably be living at 2500 to 4500 rpms(speedo healer says 4000 at 70 mph) i don't see where i'm likely to run into any issues,and when i romp on it i'll be under boost no more than maybe 10 or 12 seconds max. as i run through the gears(something like the Maxton Mile would be a different issue and i'm sure i'd be intercooled/secondaries/spacer,etc. but nothing like that in the foreseeable future,just using it to putt around with the occasional roll on now and then).

Jeff :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 07:21:09 PM
Stage 1 kits can run, but are simply not as tuneable as a Stage II.  But he was saying that he heard that Turbo guys work on their bikes more than ride them.  You guys can say whatever you want about Stage I kits, but 90% of the turbos I read about that have problems on this board are all Stage I kits.  If you get them too work, yeah you got boost.  But if riding everyday is important too you, better too goto a Stage II.

OK, how about this.  Stay away from ANY KIT that uses an FMU......  As I am not dissing RCC Stage Is, just ANY kit that uses an FMU!!!

Tell me most of the stories of blown turbo motors on here don't revolve around a FMU and I will drop it.

I am on a bunch of boards and hear the same stories from so many sources.  

A blown motor is like cancer and a FMU are like cigarettes.  If you keep smoking cigarettes, you will eventually get lung cancer.  Yes there are a very tiny group of people who smoke and never get cancer and even fewer who never smoked and did get cancer.  But people who bring up those people are idiots, as they have no validity on point.  THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE!!!

Same thing with an FMU, use one long enough and you will have a problem. Yes, I KNOW, there are going to be a few who say they NEVER had a problem.  I know people who have smoked for 60 years and still smoke at 79 years old and are fine.  But when someone makes that point about smoking, you know they are a retard and a few exceptional cases, don't change the reality of smoking cigarettes.

Nothing against Richards Stage I  having a problem, for a Stage I kit, his is best you can get.  But it still has a FMU.

Just answer this one question.  Of the numerous Production Turbo Automobiles (in the last 15 years), sold to the general public, HOW MANY USED A FMU?!?!?!?!?!

And there is your answer........  If NO large automotive manufacturer would employ the use of one, it's a reliability issue, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Get a Stage 1 kit and then when you have the $$$ get the secondary injection.  That's a good idea, if money is an issue.  But spend 5 now or 10 later.....

Next people will start saying Water injection instead of Intercooling is fine........LOL

But one important point I was trying to make and everytime I make it, I always have people jump all over it, regardless of the validity of my statements.  This post was about having a Turbo BUSA that is ridden more than worked on.  Simply secondary injection or stand alone is the way too go, PERIOD, there is no discussion.  If it was reliable, it would be used by factory automobiles.  IT'S NOT!!!  Why?!?!?!?  Because they pose a very serious reliability issue, PERIOD.

Can they be made to work, YES!!!!  Are they on a large scale reliable, NO!!!!

And this post was all about a reliable bike, not having a Turbo on a budget.

I have no problem with doing things on a budget.  I may differ with what parts can be bought on price, but I have no problem with saving a buck here and there.  But when the main issue is reliability, you shouldn't confuse the issue with the fact you can get something to work.

I believe he said he wanted to drag race and have a reliable turbo bike????  Throw an AMS 1000 on a Stage I kit and tell me how it works as it's changing boost levels.......LOL  Let's see if a FMU and PC III USB Mapping can handle changing the boost by more than 15 psi.............LOL

Since this post is about a reliable DRAG BIKE, which is a RELIABLE TURBO BIKE....  Why were my points knocked down???

Can you drag a Stage I Turbo???  YES  But when drag racing, a REAL RACER knows tunability is KEY.  And reliability is even more important.  These are simply not two of a Fm's strong points.  But it is what he is interested in......

So next time listen to what someone says and not stick up for, just because it's what you choose...  As your really doing it because of how my statements made you feel personally and not the validity of what I said.....
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
dont have that much cashola


Didn't read this, money was not in your first post.  So I figured it wasn't a main issue.

Doesn't change what I said as being true, just changes with the fact if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.  But at this point I would say just go with a wet NOS set-up.  Not a turbo, but it will get you where you want to go for the least amount of money...
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 07:26:56 PM
woukd you recommend a used one how do you tell if there worn out,

Where where you when I was selling my kit with EVERYTHING you needed 4 months ago???   LOL   Funny how things are like that...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 07:28:29 PM
if you want a reliable street and strip turbo bike, prepare to spend $10k.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: lghtspeed on February 29, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
For ten thousand does this include a new stronger crank, rods, and will the factory gears hold all of this.  After reading this post whew, turbos are for sure not in  my future. 
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 08:23:44 PM
For ten thousand does this include a new stronger crank, rods, and will the factory gears hold all of this.  After reading this post whew, turbos are for sure not in  my future. 

He just wants a reliable turbo, that he can drag race (tuneable).  You can do this all on 350HP on Pump gas.  No need for crank, rods, after market gears.  You can put a good turbo system on for about 6k. NO FMU!!!!!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 08:59:12 PM
For ten thousand does this include a new stronger crank, rods, and will the factory gears hold all of this.  After reading this post whew, turbos are for sure not in  my future. 

He just wants a reliable turbo, that he can drag race (tuneable).  You can do this all on 350HP on Pump gas.  No need for crank, rods, after market gears.  You can put a good turbo system on for about 6k. NO FMU!!!!!

Seems like most turbo issues i've read about on here were caused by malfunctioning FMU's and if i were going to beat the shit out of one every weekend at the strip i'd most definitely go at least the Stage II route right from the start.Then again,is it possible to subject the entire drive train to all that abuse every weekend and then expect it to be a reliable daily driver Mon. thru Fri. without replacing stuff you're tearing up on the weekends?Just by going on what i've read on here about FMU's i totally agree with you and will probably do some upgrades to mine this winter just to be on the safe side though i'll probably never race it.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 29, 2008, 09:05:54 PM
For ten thousand does this include a new stronger crank, rods, and will the factory gears hold all of this.  After reading this post whew, turbos are for sure not in  my future. 

He just wants a reliable turbo, that he can drag race (tuneable).  You can do this all on 350HP on Pump gas.  No need for crank, rods, after market gears.  You can put a good turbo system on for about 6k. NO FMU!!!!!

Seems like most turbo issues i've read about on here were caused by malfunctioning FMU's and if i were going to beat the shit out of one every weekend at the strip i'd most definitely go at least the Stage II route right from the start.Then again,is it possible to subject the entire drive train to all that abuse every weekend and then expect it to be a reliable daily driver Mon. thru Fri. without replacing stuff you're tearing up on the weekends?Just by going on what i've read on here about FMU's i totally agree with you and will probably do some upgrades to mine this winter just to be on the safe side though i'll probably never race it.



THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!  That's all I am saying............  :thumb:  But I get paid by the word, so to say.  So I tend to be a little long winded...LOL   :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on February 29, 2008, 09:15:09 PM
For ten thousand does this include a new stronger crank, rods, and will the factory gears hold all of this.  After reading this post whew, turbos are for sure not in  my future. 

He just wants a reliable turbo, that he can drag race (tuneable).  You can do this all on 350HP on Pump gas.  No need for crank, rods, after market gears.  You can put a good turbo system on for about 6k. NO FMU!!!!!

Seems like most turbo issues i've read about on here were caused by malfunctioning FMU's and if i were going to beat the shit out of one every weekend at the strip i'd most definitely go at least the Stage II route right from the start.Then again,is it possible to subject the entire drive train to all that abuse every weekend and then expect it to be a reliable daily driver Mon. thru Fri. without replacing stuff you're tearing up on the weekends?Just by going on what i've read on here about FMU's i totally agree with you and will probably do some upgrades to mine this winter just to be on the safe side though i'll probably never race it.



THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!  That's all I am saying............  :thumb:  But I get paid by the word, so to say.  So I tend to be a little long winded...LOL   :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :lol: I figure if i melt mine down this summer i'll go the route Alan's going with his motor,i'm really likin' all that good shit he's doin' to his in the pics he's posting! :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Jailer on February 29, 2008, 10:23:06 PM
One thing 1BadassBusa left out that is another very valid point is drivability. I've owned 2 bikes with 2 different stage 1 kits (hahn and ghetto) and the drivability is nowhere near as good as it is with properly tuned secondary setup (my current bike). You can get an FMU very close, but it will always be a compromise when it comes to drivability compared to secondaries. It is nearly impossible to tune an FMU for all the different fuel pressures vs loads that it will see under normal driving conditions.

If you can live with that fact then so be it. Go and get a stage 1 kit. They work well once tuned properly as long as you leave them alone and leave the boost alone. If you plan on upping the boost at some point or you like to tinker, then wait until you can afford a secondary system.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BrianK on February 29, 2008, 11:17:48 PM
Stage 1 kits can run, but are simply not as tuneable as a Stage II.  But he was saying that he heard that Turbo guys work on their bikes more than ride them.  You guys can say whatever you want about Stage I kits, but 90% of the turbos I read about that have problems on this board are all Stage I kits.  If you get them too work, yeah you got boost.  But if riding everyday is important too you, better too goto a Stage II.

OK, how about this.  Stay away from ANY KIT that uses an FMU......  As I am not dissing RCC Stage Is, just ANY kit that uses an FMU!!!

Tell me most of the stories of blown turbo motors on here don't revolve around a FMU and I will drop it.

I am on a bunch of boards and hear the same stories from so many sources.  

A blown motor is like cancer and a FMU are like cigarettes.  If you keep smoking cigarettes, you will eventually get lung cancer.  Yes there are a very tiny group of people who smoke and never get cancer and even fewer who never smoked and did get cancer.  But people who bring up those people are idiots, as they have no validity on point.  THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE!!!

Same thing with an FMU, use one long enough and you will have a problem. Yes, I KNOW, there are going to be a few who say they NEVER had a problem.  I know people who have smoked for 60 years and still smoke at 79 years old and are fine.  But when someone makes that point about smoking, you know they are a retard and a few exceptional cases, don't change the reality of smoking cigarettes.

Nothing against Richards Stage I  having a problem, for a Stage I kit, his is best you can get.  But it still has a FMU.

Just answer this one question.  Of the numerous Production Turbo Automobiles (in the last 15 years), sold to the general public, HOW MANY USED A FMU?!?!?!?!?!

And there is your answer........  If NO large automotive manufacturer would employ the use of one, it's a reliability issue, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Get a Stage 1 kit and then when you have the $$$ get the secondary injection.  That's a good idea, if money is an issue.  But spend 5 now or 10 later.....

Next people will start saying Water injection instead of Intercooling is fine........LOL

But one important point I was trying to make and everytime I make it, I always have people jump all over it, regardless of the validity of my statements.  This post was about having a Turbo BUSA that is ridden more than worked on.  Simply secondary injection or stand alone is the way too go, PERIOD, there is no discussion.  If it was reliable, it would be used by factory automobiles.  IT'S NOT!!!  Why?!?!?!?  Because they pose a very serious reliability issue, PERIOD.

Can they be made to work, YES!!!!  Are they on a large scale reliable, NO!!!!

And this post was all about a reliable bike, not having a Turbo on a budget.

I have no problem with doing things on a budget.  I may differ with what parts can be bought on price, but I have no problem with saving a buck here and there.  But when the main issue is reliability, you shouldn't confuse the issue with the fact you can get something to work.

I believe he said he wanted to drag race and have a reliable turbo bike????  Throw an AMS 1000 on a Stage I kit and tell me how it works as it's changing boost levels.......LOL  Let's see if a FMU and PC III USB Mapping can handle changing the boost by more than 15 psi.............LOL

Since this post is about a reliable DRAG BIKE, which is a RELIABLE TURBO BIKE....  Why were my points knocked down???

Can you drag a Stage I Turbo???  YES  But when drag racing, a REAL RACER knows tunability is KEY.  And reliability is even more important.  These are simply not two of a Fm's strong points.  But it is what he is interested in......

So next time listen to what someone says and not stick up for, just because it's what you choose...  As your really doing it because of how my statements made you feel personally and not the validity of what I said.....

call richard and ask him how many of his kits had a fmu failure in the last couple of years.

you have valid points about a secondary system being more tunable no doubt about it.

how did my statement make you feel? seems to have upset you.

which is the better option stage 2 of course. i am only disagreeing with your blanket statement of stay away from all stage 1 kits. people who don't have a turbo or much knowledge of a turbo set-up will read that and be scared off from turbo systems all together. shops like rcc put alot of time, effort and tech support into the stage 1 kits. why possibly cost them a sale? they are reliable and a good starting point for someone looking for boost. like you said they can be upgraded down the road. if you want to bring a stage 1 to the strip on the weekends why not? there are alot of things that can go wrong when you drag race every weekend. thats the risk you take when you drag. the fmu isn't more likely to fail cause you do the 1/4. whats your logic behind that? comparing the factory automotive turbo system to ours makes no sense. they are factory ours are mods. if the busa came from the factory with a turbo the ecu would be mapped accordingly no need to upgrade the fuel system.

its all good though i didn't mean to piss you off or imply your not knowledgable
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: E-RACER on March 01, 2008, 12:37:02 AM
Bigger Nitrous jets and a bigger bottle!!!! :thumb:


There are a few turbos around here,there never on the road!!..always broken or being upgraded or whatever!!..Although they sound like fun..seems never ending with those!!

then theres the turbo lag,clutch setup ect..a tricky game to be in on a small budget!!

 8)
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: Bonedust on March 01, 2008, 08:25:21 AM
decent turbo with secondaries, intercooler, boost controller, pistons, rods, output shaft, HD sprocket cover, clutch, gearing and chain...$10k goes FAST!

E-Racer is right, alot of bikes are shophogs. but if u build it right, treat it right (ride hard and maintain), and know what to look for...the bikes ride and ride well!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 01, 2008, 10:06:14 AM
...that goddamn Brian is such a prick,troublemakin' bastard(when he comes to SD we're just rentin' him a :moped: ). :lol:

Before i checked out this board a year or two ago i'd never even heard of a turbo,extended swingarm,air shifter,etc.(never had any of that good shit on HD's)and now thanks to all of you i'm $15,000 poorer(recent mods.)but havin' a great time.I'm more than likely going the secondaries route this winter just to be on the safe side, another couple thou for peace of mind sounds like a good safety precaution(and if i go the secondaries i may as well add an intercooler,and if i add an intercooler i may as well add a .......it's 8:00 AM here,think i'll go cruise down by the beach and wake up the rich fucks with my dumps :lol:). :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on March 01, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
...that goddamn Brian is such a prick,troublemakin' bastard(when he comes to SD we're just rentin' him a :moped: ). :lol:

Before i checked out this board a year or two ago i'd never even heard of a turbo,extended swingarm,air shifter,etc.(never had any of that good shit on HD's)and now thanks to all of you i'm $15,000 poorer(recent mods.)but havin' a great time.I'm more than likely going the secondaries route this winter just to be on the safe side, another couple thou for peace of mind sounds like a good safety precaution(and if i go the secondaries i may as well add an intercooler,and if i add an intercooler i may as well add a .......it's 8:00 AM here,think i'll go cruise down by the beach and wake up the rich fucks with my dumps :lol:). :thumb:

SUZUKIHAYABUSA.org is certainly the best online.  If it wasn't for this place, I don't think there would be 1/2 the Turbo BUSAs out there.......

since joining SH.org, I see the world in a new light.  Just the other day, I was considering getting a full size pick up, to also pull cars (i already have a HD car trailer).  So I was thinking of what to do with my Dakota?!?!?!?  The choice was obvious...  Tubb it, tubular chassis w/ A-Arms up-front and throw a TURBO on it!!!!!!!!!!  Do you see what this place has done too me!!!!!
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: blk02ws6 on March 01, 2008, 01:10:42 PM
the ORG is worse than a crack addiction, the longer your on here, the more money you spend.  :lol:


i guess i'm an exception to the fmu thing. and thats what i was speaking from. i spent more time working on my all motor bike than i did on my turbo bike.  i wasn't trying to piss in anybody's cherrios when i made my statement.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 01, 2008, 01:24:08 PM
the ORG is worse than a crack addiction, the longer your on here, the more money you spend.  :lol:


i guess i'm an exception to the fmu thing. and thats what i was speaking from. i spent more time working on my all motor bike than i did on my turbo bike.  i wasn't trying to piss in anybody's cherrios when i made my statement.

"piss in anybody's Cheerios"...good one,first time i heard it. :lol:

Hey Chris,

Just got back from cruisin' down by the beach and flirtin' with the women,even came back with a phone # and a "call me/take me for a ride"(yeah,i'll take her for a ride :lol:)...must be because you made this thing look so good. :thumb:Bev's comin' over this afternoon to take some pictures of your handiwork and we'll see if we can figure out how to post them on here,if not i'll try to forward them to you(or anybody)and have them posted for me.I be likin' this thing a lot. :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 01, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
...that goddamn Brian is such a prick,troublemakin' bastard(when he comes to SD we're just rentin' him a :moped: ). :lol:

Before i checked out this board a year or two ago i'd never even heard of a turbo,extended swingarm,air shifter,etc.(never had any of that good shit on HD's)and now thanks to all of you i'm $15,000 poorer(recent mods.)but havin' a great time.I'm more than likely going the secondaries route this winter just to be on the safe side, another couple thou for peace of mind sounds like a good safety precaution(and if i go the secondaries i may as well add an intercooler,and if i add an intercooler i may as well add a .......it's 8:00 AM here,think i'll go cruise down by the beach and wake up the rich fucks with my dumps :lol:). :thumb:

SUZUKIHAYABUSA.org is certainly the best online.  If it wasn't for this place, I don't think there would be 1/2 the Turbo BUSAs out there.......

since joining SH.org, I see the world in a new light.  Just the other day, I was considering getting a full size pick up, to also pull cars (i already have a HD car trailer).  So I was thinking of what to do with my Dakota?!?!?!?  The choice was obvious...  Tubb it, tubular chassis w/ A-Arms up-front and throw a TURBO on it!!!!!!!!!!  Do you see what this place has done too me!!!!!

I agree,i've never even seen another turbo Busa on the streets where i am(turbo anything for that matter)and don't even know of one(SPEED KING doesn't count :lol:),and i wouldn't have met any of you yellowhammers to hang out with.Looks to be a good summer. :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 01, 2008, 01:39:25 PM
this guy let me ride his for half hour and i about shit myself  turbo are fun
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: blk02ws6 on March 01, 2008, 05:56:24 PM
Quote
yea, i'll take her for a ride


now that's classy.   :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BrianK on March 01, 2008, 07:27:13 PM
...that goddamn Brian is such a prick,troublemakin' bastard(when he comes to SD we're just rentin' him a :moped: ). :lol:

Before i checked out this board a year or two ago i'd never even heard of a turbo,extended swingarm,air shifter,etc.(never had any of that good shit on HD's)and now thanks to all of you i'm $15,000 poorer(recent mods.)but havin' a great time.I'm more than likely going the secondaries route this winter just to be on the safe side, another couple thou for peace of mind sounds like a good safety precaution(and if i go the secondaries i may as well add an intercooler,and if i add an intercooler i may as well add a .......it's 8:00 AM here,think i'll go cruise down by the beach and wake up the rich fucks with my dumps :lol:). :thumb:

tough crowd today :P
the moped might be more fun than a harley (and faster)
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 01, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
 :clown:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 07:03:14 AM
Finally got some pictures taken and naturally can't get the damned things downloaded from the CD i had made,seems to have something to do with Firefox(i can view them on the screen but it won't let me do anything with them).Bev's gonna take it home with her this morning and then e-mail them to me,and then if i can't figure out how to post i'll attempt to e-mail them to one of you guys(Chris,Brian,or ?)and get you to post them.

It's 5:02 AM here,all you bums wake your asses up(if i know Chris he's just now gettin' home :lol:).
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
Hey Ditto,

Sorry for kinda jackin' your thread with my last post,guess we get to bullshittin' on here and stray from the topic(but at least i have the same '03 paint scheme as yourself and if i get the new pics posted today you'll be able to see your bike turboed...some relevance to the original topic anyway :lol:).
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 07:57:53 AM
 cool id like to see pic. is it a dump pipe or full pipe
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 08:20:04 AM
It's a dump.Our bikes are just about twins 'cept for my 6" over tail is gray,had my seats done in a satin black by Tobin,and i have the 3 spoke RC polished alum. wheels.I should have the pictures in a few hours(or whenever she gets her ass up/goes home,and e-mails them back to me...some time this morning anyway :lol:).I'm hopin' i can get them to one of you guys to post up for me,i'd probably fuck it up. :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 08:24:58 AM
ya i have the tobin seat with black symbols on the side that seat in picture is bellbusas he had to put it on for a picture
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
everything on it was polished and chrome when i bought it now trying to get it black looking if i keep it ill have to get frame powdercoated
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 08:39:53 AM
I think it looks pretty hot but guess a lot of people are doing the black thing these days.I tried to balance mine out with a little chrome,stainless,polished aluminum,etc. and with the blk./gray paint scheme kinda like it.If i tear it down this next winter(not much of a winter out here in SOCAL by the beach,might drop to 50's during the day :lol:)and do the secondaries,intercooler,etc. may get a nice paint job,have a place called Color Zone in Huntington Beach that does nice work.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 08:42:22 AM
 its 25 and snowy here we wont be able to ride for another month  :(
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 09:00:07 AM
what times do you get with the turbo  before turbo what did you get im hopin to get 9,2s just put that arm on and a 003 so hopefully that will help
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 10:22:23 AM
I've never ran mine at the track but maybe a little this summer just to see what it'll do with my big ass on it(220-230,depending on lunch :lol:).Seems pretty strong and being lowered/6" over/rear shock redone/43T rear and for a street bike should do pretty well(more so with an experienced track rider such as yourself).

Am waiting to get my photos e-mailed to me and will try to get some posted(she went home with the card about a 1/2 hour ago).I have the CD with me and can view them,just can't seem to get the damn thing downloaded right so i can forward.Maybe when she sends them to me in a regular e-mail i'll have better luck.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: DITTO on March 02, 2008, 10:25:01 AM
cool i  really like the grey/black color.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 10:27:25 AM
cool i  really like the grey/black color.

My fav. also...and the blk./grey '03's are the fastest anyway. :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 10:43:48 AM
Just forwarded photos to Brian K to try and post for me under Bike Talk,what a good guy huh? :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 02, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
Brian just posted some pics for me in Bike Talk about 3 posts above your's,think he has a few more i just forwarded to him a minute ago.
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: efi-street on March 07, 2008, 01:40:59 AM
+1 to the RCC Stage 1.  Love mine. 
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 2wicked on March 07, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
reality of smoking cigarettes.

Nothing against Richards Stage I  having a problem, for a Stage I kit, his is best you can get.  But it still has a FMU.

Just answer this one question.  Of the numerous Production Turbo Automobiles (in the last 15 years), sold to the general public, HOW MANY USED A FMU?!?!?!?!?!

And there is your answer........  If NO large automotive manufacturer would employ the use of one, it's a reliability issue, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Get a Stage 1 kit and then when you have the $$$ get the secondary injection.  That's a good idea, if money is an issue.  But spend 5 now or 10 later.....


    Ok if this is the line of thinking then lets ask ourselves how many production automobiles use secondary injectors? Do your statements still apply?

         Our FMUs are made here and differ then any others on the market, not sure I have even heard a problem with one yet? Although I do not recommend altering the boost levels that are setup in a stage 1 kit. If a customer wants more, or even wants to run different levels of boost I always try to steer them towards secondaries. I will never recommend higher boost for a stage 1.

                   Richard
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: BrianK on March 07, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
reality of smoking cigarettes.

Nothing against Richards Stage I  having a problem, for a Stage I kit, his is best you can get.  But it still has a FMU.

Just answer this one question.  Of the numerous Production Turbo Automobiles (in the last 15 years), sold to the general public, HOW MANY USED A FMU?!?!?!?!?!

And there is your answer........  If NO large automotive manufacturer would employ the use of one, it's a reliability issue, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Get a Stage 1 kit and then when you have the $$$ get the secondary injection.  That's a good idea, if money is an issue.  But spend 5 now or 10 later.....


    Ok if this is the line of thinking then lets ask ourselves how many production automobiles use secondary injectors? Do your statements still apply?

         Our FMUs are made here and differ then any others on the market, not sure I have even heard a problem with one yet? Although I do not recommend altering the boost levels that are setup in a stage 1 kit. If a customer wants more, or even wants to run different levels of boost I always try to steer them towards secondaries. I will never recommend higher boost for a stage 1.

                   Richard

good enough for me. thanks :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 07, 2008, 04:08:26 PM
reality of smoking cigarettes.

Nothing against Richards Stage I  having a problem, for a Stage I kit, his is best you can get.  But it still has a FMU.

Just answer this one question.  Of the numerous Production Turbo Automobiles (in the last 15 years), sold to the general public, HOW MANY USED A FMU?!?!?!?!?!

And there is your answer........  If NO large automotive manufacturer would employ the use of one, it's a reliability issue, PERIOD!!!!!!!!

Get a Stage 1 kit and then when you have the $$$ get the secondary injection.  That's a good idea, if money is an issue.  But spend 5 now or 10 later.....


    Ok if this is the line of thinking then lets ask ourselves how many production automobiles use secondary injectors? Do your statements still apply?

         Our FMUs are made here and differ then any others on the market, not sure I have even heard a problem with one yet? Although I do not recommend altering the boost levels that are setup in a stage 1 kit. If a customer wants more, or even wants to run different levels of boost I always try to steer them towards secondaries. I will never recommend higher boost for a stage 1.

                   Richard

good enough for me. thanks :thumb:

...me too. :thumb:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on March 07, 2008, 07:35:13 PM
The statement is about the way a FMU functions and my opinion of them, not the quality of your product Richard....LOL  That's why I excluded yours by bringing up your kit.  So reliability was not my only or main problem with FMU.  Going from 5 psi to 20 psi the 30 psi and then back to 7 psi.  No FMU can do that, that right there is my main problem.  I was trying to exclude you and your loyal following is rallying up....  You have to love the RCC following.  The truck I was driving today has 2 big RCC stickers in the back window......LOL

I still don't like FMUs and you can't make me........   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: piratediverjefff on March 07, 2008, 07:55:57 PM
The statement is about the way a FMU functions and my opinion of them, not the quality of your product Richard....LOL  That's why I excluded yours by bringing up your kit.  So reliability was not my only or main problem with FMU.  Going from 5 psi to 20 psi the 30 psi and then back to 7 psi.  No FMU can do that, that right there is my main problem.  I was trying to exclude you and your loyal following is rallying up....  You have to love the RCC following.  The truck I was driving today has 2 big RCC stickers in the back window......LOL

I still don't like FMUs and you can't make me........   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 :lol:
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 2wicked on March 08, 2008, 05:16:24 AM
The statement is about the way a FMU functions and my opinion of them, not the quality of your product Richard....LOL  That's why I excluded yours by bringing up your kit.  So reliability was not my only or main problem with FMU.  Going from 5 psi to 20 psi the 30 psi and then back to 7 psi.  No FMU can do that, that right there is my main problem.  I was trying to exclude you and your loyal following is rallying up....  You have to love the RCC following.  The truck I was driving today has 2 big RCC stickers in the back window......LOL

I still don't like FMUs and you can't make me........   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  LOL, you do so like them, you are just in denial, ha ha

             Richard
Title: Re: TURBO OR WHAT
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on March 08, 2008, 10:10:11 AM
The statement is about the way a FMU functions and my opinion of them, not the quality of your product Richard....LOL  That's why I excluded yours by bringing up your kit.  So reliability was not my only or main problem with FMU.  Going from 5 psi to 20 psi the 30 psi and then back to 7 psi.  No FMU can do that, that right there is my main problem.  I was trying to exclude you and your loyal following is rallying up....  You have to love the RCC following.  The truck I was driving today has 2 big RCC stickers in the back window......LOL

I still don't like FMUs and you can't make me........   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  LOL, you do so like them, you are just in denial, ha ha

             Richard

I do like them?!?!?!?!?

Hey, you're trying that old Jedi Mind Trick on me, aren't you?!?!?!?!?

Maybe you're right, maybe I do like them?????  :?