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Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« on: December 29, 2020, 11:00:26 AM »
The Norwgian importer has annonced that there will be a new Hayabusa for 2021 :)
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2020, 03:16:31 PM »
The "word" that I got was the Gen III was a reworked Gen II.  Engine is increased in size and head/cams reworked to provide 200 HP to the crank through EURO V exhaust.  Guessing, 1441?   And a lot of added electronics.  On the bright side, a lot of Gen II parts could be interchangeable.
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2020, 07:51:19 AM »
I have also read that its basically a reworked Gen II. A friend of mine have seen pictures but he didnt think about taking pictures ( of the picture of the Hayabusa :):) ) but he confirms that it still looked like a Hayabusa.   
If I were Suzuki I would up the bore to 82mm and the stroke to 68mm making it a 1436cc. That would be the easiest and safest way to make it as large as possible and still leave som meat around the bores.

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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 04:10:00 PM »
The gen2 was a reworked gen1...so, I guess this us a re reworked gen1  :trb:
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2021, 10:12:07 AM »
The gen2 was a reworked gen1...so, I guess this us a re reworked gen1  :trb:
And the Hayabusa are heavily based on the SRAD 600/750...  So this is a reworked SRAD 600 :)
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2021, 06:00:35 PM »
Naw-- the SRAD 750 was first---- :rockwoot:
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2021, 09:07:58 AM »
The "word" that I got was the Gen III was a reworked Gen II.  Engine is increased in size and head/cams reworked to provide 200 HP to the crank through EURO V exhaust.  Guessing, 1441?   And a lot of added electronics.  On the bright side, a lot of Gen II parts could be interchangeable.
I just learned that the EURO 5 has been postponed to 2022. Mabye this is a way for Suzuki to sell the Hayabusa later than 2022 as an Euro 4 bike because its a "new" model under the Euro 4 rules... 
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2021, 11:12:25 PM »
Naw-- the SRAD 750 was first---- :rockwoot:

same bike save tranny ratio, sleeve bore, sprx teeth cnt, forks, swingarm, graphics, rest is the same till 98 FI, EXACT SAME

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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2021, 11:19:47 AM »
I was just noting that the 750 came before the SRAD 600. I have had every year SRAD 750 and several SRAD 600s as well. Can list all the various changes to them---
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2021, 01:47:35 AM »
yup, head is different too..

the 1996 GSXR 600 SRAD was a US thing, it was available in the UK, Japan so forth in 96.. same deal as the 86 GSXR750, got here a year later

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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2021, 11:12:26 AM »
Hey.....

A NEW Hayabusa is coming and you old men are splitting hairs about SRAD 600-750....   GROW THE F%§#k UP !!!!!! ( :) :) )


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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2021, 12:27:21 PM »
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2021, 07:01:01 AM »
Cabin fever near the arctic circle :lol:

I am offended....

I live 500miles ABOVE the arctic circle :)
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2021, 11:04:09 AM »
On the dash I can see modes for quickshifter, Traction control and perhaps power modes ?   It also looks like it has a lean angle sensor with readout :)
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2021, 12:24:20 PM »
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2021, 06:32:35 PM »
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2021, 07:53:52 PM »
Sitting here with a leg injury. From a dog , ZX14R is more than likely sold, and I'm probably on my way back home to gen 3 hayabusa with boost!!!!!  :rockwoot:
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2021, 08:32:38 PM »
Someone near me buy one so I can take a look and make some new parts  :cool018:
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2021, 12:14:43 PM »
#LeanAngle * 


Just heard that the Lean angle sensor and readout is only on europeean bikes. Americans will get a extended swingarm sensor....
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2021, 12:39:17 PM »
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2021, 08:00:32 AM »
What I think weíll see come Friday about the Gen-3 Hayabusa reveal. No it wonít be an all new bike but it will be a pretty big update.

Will it have some form of forced induction, no...

I think itíll be 1400cc+ N/A setup but what combo?

Current Gen-2 is 81mm x 65mm = 1,339.78cc

1) Will they go with a slight piston increase to 84mm x 65mm = 1440.86

2) Or keep the stock pistons and stroke it for more torque 81mm x 70mm = 1442.84

3) Or maybe a toned down 81mm x 68mm = 1401.62

I feel like option 2 is the best route IMO but will it have the mechanical VVT similar to the GSXR-1000RR or a new patent designed hydraulic VVT? It may not have either but itíll be interesting to see.

Based on the teaser video itíll have an updated electronics package like the GSXR-1000RR.

PW: Power Mode
TC: Traction Control
LF: Lift Control (wheelies)
QS: Quickshifter (electric or manual?)

One that was missing- LC: Launch Control?

I see they moved the shift light to front and center finally! Added the Suzuki lean angle sensors and updated mini TFT with the SDMS - Suzuki Drive Mode Selector and ABS. Not much else to be had from the dash video. Though I was hoping that was tire PSI on

However, one conspiracy Iíll start is specs and rating. With the added cc the bike will make 200hp+ but how much? It was previously rated at 195.7hp and we all know what the added cc will do but that brings me to the next topic weight?

1999 model was 473lbs (215kg) dry
2008 model was 485lbs (220kg) dry

We all know with a lighter rear subframe, wheels, exhaust and a few other bits we can easily drop 20-30lbs. That got me thinking about power, weight, and top speeds again. Maybe Suzuki is finally going to piss off on the gentlemanís agreement and finally give everyone what they want, a TRUE 200 machine from the factory!

200hp / 200kg / 200mph

Suzuki started the speed wars and it would be a good time to finish the speed wars as the first TRUE 200MPH+ motorcycle from the factory.

Thoughts???


Now secretly Iím hoping itís more like 210/210/210 but hey a guy can live outside the box a little. Either way Iím looking forward to Friday and whatever they have in store for us FINALLY after 20-years...

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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2021, 10:48:13 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2021, 06:41:34 PM »
I'm with you on the 210 mph(The speed agreement was for Europe, not the USA even though all brands honor it, BMW idea, then they go over 2 mph 09 S1000RR), The speedometer is on 180 or 185 mph, should pull another 20 mph
The tachometer is on 10,000 rpm there is more speed in it ! The clutch cover is really beefy,  like a lock up style cover, so its stronger with maybe DCT(QS on dash) transmission,  remember Suzuki filed a patent 2 years ago for a special transmission,  the wheels are really thin spoked. All we really need to know is the motor a 3 part design  ? Head, cylinder block, and base? Will a turbo bolt on ? Did you guys notice the rider shifts the gears no clutch or rolling of the throttle  ?
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2021, 03:26:50 AM »
So now parts for my gen 1 will get even cheaper  :ROFL:
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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2021, 06:02:49 AM »
I'm with you on the 210 mph(The speed agreement was for Europe, not the USA even though all brands honor it, BMW idea, then they go over 2 mph 09 S1000RR), The speedometer is on 180 or 185 mph, should pull another 20 mph
The tachometer is on 10,000 rpm there is more speed in it ! The clutch cover is really beefy,  like a lock up style cover, so its stronger with maybe DCT(QS on dash) transmission,  remember Suzuki filed a patent 2 years ago for a special transmission,  the wheels are really thin spoked. All we really need to know is the motor a 3 part design  ? Head, cylinder block, and base? Will a turbo bolt on ? Did you guys notice the rider shifts the gears no clutch or rolling of the throttle  ?

QS must be QuickShifter...
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2021, 06:08:13 AM »
What I think weíll see come Friday about the Gen-3 Hayabusa reveal. No it wonít be an all new bike but it will be a pretty big update.

Will it have some form of forced induction, no...

I think itíll be 1400cc+ N/A setup but what combo?

Current Gen-2 is 81mm x 65mm = 1,339.78cc

1) Will they go with a slight piston increase to 84mm x 65mm = 1440.86

2) Or keep the stock pistons and stroke it for more torque 81mm x 70mm = 1442.84

3) Or maybe a toned down 81mm x 68mm = 1401.62


4) 82x66 = 1397cc ....   But I dont know... I just feel that going onw mm on the bore is safe for the factory and then just 1mm on the stroke to keep it under 1400cc..

I also hope they make a better head. The original head is good but not perfect.
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2021, 11:07:53 AM »
Better head is always good

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2021, 10:46:05 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2021, 06:23:39 AM »
I love great head.
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2021, 09:38:16 AM »
Just went on the suzuki page a hour ago  ! I'm disappointed 1340cc, and $18,599 price tag, no boost, etc. A lot of new features,  wheelie control, quick shifter, bla, bla, bla, the black bike is gorgeous,  the other colors dont look that good to me. O well maybe the hp will be there and the motor looks to be a 3pc design.  I'm digging the 2020 gen 2 in all burgundy if I can find a real good discounted price on one. My ZX14R was 12,600 out the door, so the sticker was like 10,600. Why suzuki ?
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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2021, 03:46:48 PM »
Just went on the suzuki page a hour ago  ! I'm disappointed 1340cc, and $18,599 price tag, no boost, etc. A lot of new features,  wheelie control, quick shifter, bla, bla, bla, the black bike is gorgeous,  the other colors dont look that good to me. O well maybe the hp will be there and the motor looks to be a 3pc design.  I'm digging the 2020 gen 2 in all burgundy if I can find a real good discounted price on one. My ZX14R was 12,600 out the door, so the sticker was like 10,600. Why suzuki ?

The horsepower tanked as well. Slightly more torque but less HP. I'm disappointed as well.

Looks like Suzuki was interested in making a bike with a lotta technological advances but not interested in making it faster than the competition.

I wonder what will happen if you throw a Rotrex on it. Will it wreak havoc on those "new and improved" technological advances.

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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2021, 09:10:57 PM »
Hereís one plus:

The Gen 3 being such a flop means gen ones and gen twos arenít as ďoutdatedĒ as they could be.
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« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2021, 04:21:07 PM »
One thing I would like to throw in on this argument, with all that wonderful validating data.

They put out cars that exceed 200 miles an hour, and they expect the drivers to be responsible for that. Many are, many are not.

Why shouldn't Suzuki exceed the gentleman's agreement, which we have more than worn out over the last 20+ years, and give us a 200 mph factory bike ?. Me personally, on my bike I've been so close to the 200 mph barrier so many times, and yet with the proper conditions, and safety precautions, it's perfectly acceptable to me. The fact that they're trying not to make this bike a death trap which, many bikes already are, is simply folly. Let the rider be responsible.
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2021, 05:36:47 PM »
A video of an overview of all of the features:

https://youtu.be/nJtT6FZA7hQ

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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2021, 11:24:21 PM »
The crazy thing is two fold ! The European agreement was for euro models only, suzuki and the rest of the brands just restricted all big bore bikes. 2nd emission in Europe are way tougher,  so why not create a generation 3 with 2 versions (Like the 49 state bikes back in the day) A hayabusa for Europe with milder cams, and a 186 mph limiter,  here in the USA a hayabusa with better camshafts, and no top end restriction and of course  bigger cc's turbo etc. And we need to ask the magazine's companies to not splash 200 mph on the front covers. You don't see hellcats or ZL1 advertising this will do 203 on the cover, draws to much attention. Kids, and parents  !
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2021, 11:11:36 PM »
Anybody ever think the 2022 hayabusa looks like a Honda blackbird/cbr1100xx front, and the tail section like a TLR1000 ?
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Re: Finally Gen III Hayabusa is here
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2021, 05:30:16 AM »
Anybody ever think the 2022 hayabusa looks like a Honda blackbird/cbr1100xx front, and the tail section like a TLR1000 ?

Thanks I never noticed that till you pointed it out  (glass breaking sound)
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